Galandil
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YUMMYBUFFET
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standard is to call flop as it's good to look weak and 90% of turns are ok. the only cards to def fold on are a non spade K or T. a turn call should be based on reads (is his 3bet range likely wide? does he seem aggro enough to barrel all in here, or more likely to cbet/shutdown?...). i mean i prob never fold but reads make for way more +ev decisions.
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terp
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he hasn't gone nuts 3betting (though it is a small sample) so don't get too wrapped up in how often you've been stealing. understanding your image properly often has to do with knowing when it is NOT relevant.
he can't have the nfd and is probably barreling most of his draws (and some air) anyway, so just flat the flop
don't get too wrapped up sweating six cards in the deck. w/o doing any stoves i am pretty sure you should be calling on a spade king or ten, though the king is clossssser
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Tackleberry
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don't get too wrapped up sweating six cards in the deck. w/o doing any stoves i am pretty sure you should be calling on a spade king or ten, though the king is clossssser
Can you come up w/ a range for Villain to barrel the turn that makes a call on a brick for Hero profitable?
I simply doubt that after Hero calling the 3-bet pre and calling the c-bet on the QJ-flop Villain is ever continuing w/ a bluff-range - and we don´t beat any hand in his value-range besides KQ, correct?
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upay4mytrip2disneyland
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Can you come up w/ a range for Villain to barrel the turn that makes a call on a brick for Hero profitable?
I simply doubt that after Hero calling the 3-bet pre and calling the c-bet on the QJ-flop Villain is ever continuing w/ a bluff-range - and we don´t beat any hand in his value-range besides KQ, correct?
maybe is a 0 ev situation ... imo or close ev +
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Galandil
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The problem here is that, if we call flop, we have a turn pot of 66.5bb and an effective stack of 97, thus the SPR is less than 1,5.
With that in mind, what are we representing with a call on the flop, and if we shove on the turn what hands are calling that we beat (supposing a turn without spades/K/T)?
Of course is ideal if on a dud on the turn he cbets and we shove it (he will call with all of his range, that includes imo KK/AA/QJ/KQ and some fds if he's aggressive enough), but if he checks and we shove I think we're isolating against his best range, and he may fold his fds/KQ.
Or your plan is to call flop and call or ch. behind turn pot controlling the hand?
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Hero has position.
Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing it out! Then I don't know, I think both option are good. If he's likely to barrel a blank we can snap but otherwise I still prefer jamming because even if it is a little -EV than calling (which I doubt), it gives us some great meta.
imo
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