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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

solid download speed imo

hahaha solid mindonk-fold to minraise

This series is really awesome, hopefully you'll continue doing semi-interactive stuff like this in the future!

you must be kidding about the AK utg ship it in > 4bet/c, call, fold
basically if he's at least halfway decent any of the other options (apart from 4b/f obv) is better, depending on image, gameflow, reads etc.

if we ship it in, our hand looks like exactly what we have, he can narrow our range to exactly one hand (the one hand thats stong enough to ship it in, but wants pps to fold because its only coinflipping with them) and play perfectly against it

he's just going to call with all hands that are ahead of us or flipping and fold everything else (like call TT+,AK fold AQ- etc.)

I liked Vanessa analysis on the 4bet ship vs 4bet/call. If he is squeezing he's probably never folding TT+, AK against our ship, and he is also never folding when we 4bet smaller. But if we do bet smaller (but still very big) we don't give him any fold equity, and he probably is still going to get it in with the same TT+, AK range. The difference is that he gains a nice edge with hands like TT-JJ to call and only ship non A non K flops.

That said: The option I liked the most is the option not in the quiz: 4bet way smaller, because 1. I do want to be able to make a 4bet bluff here once in a while (or very similair spots) 2. I do want to give the illusion of fold equity.

Sometimes it's going to suck if villain calls here in position, we have AKo, and we miss the flop. But we protect ourselfs from villain outplaying us by also having monsters in our range, and we are not going to cbet AKo ui 100% of the time, we will be bluffing some % of the time on A high or K high flops and we will be checking the flop with monsters also. And this gives villain a lot of room to make big mistakes pre and postflop against the sizable monster part of our range.

I'd also prefer raising to like 17$ in that spot, to balance my 4-bet bluffs and give my opponent the chance to ship it in with air. If he calls we're in position, so that's not that big of a deal

i strongly disagree
you'd need more reads and infos on history etc.
but assuming we have a standard tag image and he's also a tag, he'd normally fold mid pps against an utg 4bet (i mean with standard tag images he has to assume our 4bet range is AK,QQ+ and against that range he's toast with TT), whereas if we 4bet-ship he plays perfectly against our hand
another thing one might consider is, if we 4bet ship AK here, our normal 4bet for value range is going to be a lot smaller, so we can't really 4bet as a bluff that good (edit: but of course, we could mix it up etc. and it only matters when playing a lot against the same opponents, so its not that much of a big concern here)
however, i'd also like a smaller 4bet size, that allows to 4b/f with bluffs

i strongly disagree
you'd need more reads and infos on history etc.
but assuming we have a standard tag image and he's also a tag, he'd normally fold mid pps against an utg 4bet (i mean with standard tag images he has to assume our 4bet range is AK,QQ+ and against that range he's toast with TT), whereas if we 4bet-ship he plays perfectly against our hand
another thing one might consider is, if we 4bet ship AK here, our normal 4bet for value range is going to be a lot smaller, so we can't really 4bet as a bluff that good
however, i'd also like a smaller 4bet size, that allows to 4b/f with bluffs

If that's true, why don't we 4bet ship AA/KK 100% of the time? Sometimes villain follows your logic, but more often than not villain thinks on a different level. For example: he sees a big bet, so he's going to think that you have a big hand and fold. Or he thinks that you want your hand to look like AKo so that you want him to call you light. Or he thinks that you 4bet/ship your whole range here.

Vanessa: I understand your reasoning behind squeeze/folding TT in the final hand, but I think you are making a dangerous assumption about villains handrange to justify this play, because it's basically only a good play when his range is exactly JJ+,AK. After squeezing the pot is big, and you only need around 40% equity against his range to make a call +ev. If he once in a while spazzes out with AQ or some small pocket pair, or maybe he does the opposite and he thinks we are super strong and he folds JJ. My thinking here is basically that it's almost impossible to make a big mistake by calling here against most reasonable ranges, so I like to call to protect future squeezes with air.

Didn't have a chance to see all the hands yet, but at least one situation where I disagree:

Question 6, I pretty much 100% of the time like to raise KTo after a limper in this situation at a normal table, but not at a table that is described "Table is very loose, pots are often multiway". Usually the situation that unfolds at these kind of small stakes tables is just like in this case that you get a family pot and can't really value bet in almost any situation... I feel that when you Joe said in the video that they just happened to have hands is not true as they don't need hands to call... KTs would be a raise in my mind though...

I missed the 1st week of this think i might aswell of missed this week to i know i got lots wrong. Really cool format though loved it!

In the tens on AT3r I think you're less likely to get purely floated by a KQ/QJ/KJ type hand unless there is at least one call in front of them. But then you aren't getting pure floated, are you?

I missed the 1st week of this think i might aswell of missed this week to i know i got lots wrong. Really cool format though loved it!

But are you learning stuff from it? I know I am learning a ton and wish I had taken part in the first week, I might go a redo that test when the season ends.

This is one of the best learning tools I have ever used.

Excellent.

ps, stop including KT hands, my first love (from 23 years ago but still comes into my life to monkey it around from time to time even though she is married) drives around with personalised plate that starts K10 and that hand always puts me on tilt.

I dont agree with the AA slowplay at all on 236.
Missing so much value from the pair+draw hand like 34 or 44 or ton of hands like that, they will check behind on turn and then dont give any action on the river when they miss.
I think that by far should overweight the value of calling and having guy ship air on turn with what seems like no folding equity. I think it is pretty rare that this happens, It will take a really stupid guy for that to ever work.

We need 2p for shove and maybe 1p for call?

awwwwwwww not shoving the KT is pretty bad in my opinion.
My understanding of fish in general is that its pretty rare for a guy to slowplay turn ever in this spot when you POT, POT. I dont think he will show up with AQ on the river at all, he would prolly given you that minraise on the turn then.
And we clearly beat 50% of his value raising range that he ofc is calling with if this is true at all (even just a little bit).

If that's true, why don't we 4bet ship AA/KK 100% of the time? Sometimes villain follows your logic, but more often than not villain thinks on a different level. For example: he sees a big bet, so he's going to think that you have a big hand and fold. Or he thinks that you want your hand to look like AKo so that you want him to call you light. Or he thinks that you 4bet/ship your whole range here.

yeah it would be a better play here to ship it in with KK or sth. because our hand just looks like AK , and i think we can all agree that it's definetly not a good thing if our hand looks to our opponent exactly like what it really is

now we obv. can't 4bet ship AA/KK 100% of the time because we need to balance our 4bet-bluffs with it, plus we give our opponent the chance to 5bet with thinking he has got fold-equity (which would be obv more relevant with some history and in a BvB situation), so i think it's also better with AA/KK to 4b/c

and it's unlikely that he thinks we want our hand to look like AK to trap him with a big pair because he had to know very much about us and we about him to make such a play, in the beginning he's just starting with thinking what kind of hand we represent (and he would be correct in doing so), it's just silly to assume an unknown will start thinking like oh he thinks i'm going to think that he thinks that i think he wants to trap me etc.