asdrubale
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I don't think raising this flop is very good. If his range for donking is overpairs and AQ/AK type hands then it seems you are better off calling since you can't really fold out anything with more equity and can't really get anything with less to call. Why would you want him to fold out his AQ when he could potentially fire the turn again? Furthermore, if a player is willing to cold call a 3bet oop then I wouldn't expect him to also donk-fold on this flop.
Getting it in on the flop is +ev if you have any fold equity at all (and even if you don't its very close to breakeven). Once you call it gets much shadier, as your equity drops by half against overpairs and you have no idea what his bluffing frequency is; it's very easy to make a giant mistake; e.g. calling twice and folding the river incorrectly; or calling down when he is never bluffing. Also any two cards have decent equity against our hand and we don't mind pushing him off that since the pot is already huge. To make a call better you'd need a strong read that makes you very confident in which are the correct turn/river actions.
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Joe Tall
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Can I talk about this 76s hand...at the end you say we can raise..and then you say we can be "comfortable getting it in"....assuming we raise and he comes over the top are you really comfortable getting it in? I'm thinking if he's shoving he's doing it with 9s+....not A high..
Please leave a time-stamp or better yet, Watch this short video, and leave a time link!
That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.
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killer108
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Kristy i think you plays much better then in episode 1....
Only I think to play A2o--A6o in CO to loose.... your EV go to be neg i guess, look likes you aleady have learned a lot
By the way i love the videos, very nice to watching good to see how much we can learn!
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laguuni
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Bean Box
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Hey, I notice she raises AX a LOT from late position, (with the X<10 lots of times)..
Is this a good move? What are we hoping for? To hit an ace and be outkicked? I often play AXs in an unraised pot for a flush. Anyone else play or not play AX with X being a small card? I feel like this is a trouble hand, no?
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killer108
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jjfootball2009
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Bottom right: Am I out of line to be check raising that turn sometimes? I'm thinking we can get a weak tight opponent off his 1 pair, and train him to raise the flop, or check down against us more often.
Even if he calls, if the river gives us another mid-card, do you think he might talk himself out of not getting involved often enough? (Scared of the straight, set, two pair, or bigger kicker).
What about if this turn makes it two tone. Are we more inclined to check raise then, since a flush card on the river gives him even more reasons to fold?
One other thing. I think our perceived range sucks in this situation, but I'm a raise monkey, and was wondering if this might be + EV against a nit.
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Sneakers
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Baluga, How about this bet/call preflop with pocket AA? Kind of dangerous to hold back preflop, isn't it? Maybe you were distracted by the other table, and didn't see it. I was expecting to hear you say, "Whoa Whoa..Why didn't we reraise this."
Do you EVER like just calling (trapping) with AA? Seems to me like villain wanted to play; then why not make him pay? "value bet, value bet, value bet"
Thanks.
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killer108
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Sneakers
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he discus that in the video to keep him in the hand, when fold to 3 bet is very high sometimes call can be fine, i think you get more value sometimes
Hi. Are you talking about the AA hand? Can you give me the timeline he says this. I hear him talk about checking the turned set of AAA (to keep the villain in the hand), but he didn't join that hand until the turned set. The preflop play was dangerous, as postflop anything is possible, especially if letting someone set-mine.
I cannot imagine Baluga just calling on such a small reraise amount preflop with AA in hand. It's because of Baluga, I'm value-betting the hell out of everything. It works.
Even a min-raise would most likely be paid-off.
I am convinced he missed the preflop play for AA (as he was talking about two other tables). But I am not 100% positive.
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LuckyMr
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Hi, Kristy i really can't understand why you are wondering that everyone 3-bet and 4-bets you.. you are opening a lot of hands with vpip about 30 - probably thats why some ppl 3bet you.
As for 4-bets - just compare you 3-bet percentage - which is about 20 at each table and others - less than 10 in general, so in spots when some ppl will fold JJ, AK to 3Bet they just 4-bet you because your 3B percentage is big.
And also i cant see any reason not to lower our agression preflop.. and probably call with some hands and raise or c/raise as a bluf decent flops.
And when you open-raise your hand you should think - who is gonna call you with worse and if there is no fish left, but a high chance to get 3-bet i would open only strong range and will flat/4B to 3B a big chank of it (if i really need to mess with other regs).
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Antny
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AA hand
his checkback on the flop: i dont think he has JJ and TT cause he just flats this pre. KK he bets and Ax is very unlikely obv. so this leaves him with a lot of air and I guess he thinks we hit Qxx very well and wont fold a lot too his cbet.
Anyway i actually like this 1/2 pot donk cause it looks very weak, it asks: "Do you have an Ace"? And he is like: "Yes I checked back Ak on the flop (give up)." I think it achieves more than a check, if he wants to rep the Ace he can bet if we check but he also can raise if we "block"/"info"-bet . He was thinking we have TT/JJ and we didnt wanted to get bluffed off the hand and wanted to see where we are at. Who ever leads an Ace here? So he took this out of our range. Very creative line.
As for the idea of c/r the turn. i dont think he has a lot of draws in his range cause he wud bet em on the flop. it is basically only backdoordiamonds and thats rare. when we c/r we fold out air which he is very likely to have so once we check it is a clear c/c imo because if he has an Ace for some reason he bets it himself, if he has QQ he bets it himself and if he is bluffing... . You also balance the times you have JJ,TT here when you c/c.
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Sneakers
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Baluga, How about this bet/call preflop with pocket AA? Kind of dangerous to hold back preflop, isn't it? Maybe you were distracted by the other table, and didn't see it. I was expecting to hear you say, "Whoa Whoa..Why didn't we reraise this."
Do you EVER like just calling (trapping) with AA? Seems to me like villain wanted to play; then why not make him pay? "value bet, value bet, value bet"
Thanks.
bump Baluga, are you out there?
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BalugaWhale
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Baluga, How about this bet/call preflop with pocket AA? Kind of dangerous to hold back preflop, isn't it? Maybe you were distracted by the other table, and didn't see it. I was expecting to hear you say, "Whoa Whoa..Why didn't we reraise this."
Do you EVER like just calling (trapping) with AA? Seems to me like villain wanted to play; then why not make him pay? "value bet, value bet, value bet"
Thanks.
Sorry, in hong kong, super difficult to find time to respond but doing what I can.
If villain is aggressive, good, and polarizing his range, calling is theoretically sometimes better (provided he vbets thinly and bluffs appropriately against us). If villain is aggressive, bad, reraise. If villain is passive, bad, reraise.
off the top of my head.
Andrew
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wyvern911
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