Hielko
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12:07 - You advocate cbetting TdTx on KdQd3x in a 3way pot being 2nd to act as the pfr. Altough I understand you're reasons for wanting to cbet here I don't think it's a good idea. You will almost never get better hands to fold, you will almost never be called by worse made hands and most draws have 33% equity or more. And not only do draws have a lot of equity, if they raise flop or when they bet the turn you can almost never call and go to showdown.
Another problem is that you're equity is not good when you get called because you are drawing to two outs against a K or Q, and with two players in the pot there is a decent probability that one of the players did hit one of those cards. I think checking this flop and folding or calling depending on betsize is way better. Another thing to consider is that when you have the best hand and they have for example a small suited connector or a small pocket pair you can check it down and win it some % of the time.
I would like a flop cbet with a hand like AJ because we have less showdown equity and more equity when we get called.
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sanjuanworm
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i don't agree w/ your comments on that J9o hand. i think the turn is an easy bet for several reasons:
1) he will often call w/ worse,
2) your hand is vulnerable,
3) he will rarely raise, either as a bluff or for value,
4) your draw may well be good, but it has poor implied odds,
5) check/calling sucks balls in general, and sucks especially hairy balls on this super wet board v. a probable station w/ and v. such poorly defined hands.
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tubasteve
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I would think the 6 is a great card to barrel for us (first hand (23)) since we would lead the flop with a 6 in a limped pot. Conversely,I think it is a good spot to bluff for villian when we check. I think the turn bet if we barfreled should not be large, because when we have a 6, we wouldn't bet big and it saves us money when called or raised.
against opponents that either A) suck or B) understand combinatorics, then betting the 6 turn isn't really that great imo.
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tubasteve
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Nice video coach.
17:29 In we have AA on button. Get 1 caller, and a reraise. Since we have such a strong hand, and in position, shouldn't we just call to induce Cbetting and get as much value as possible ? Bet smaller when in position to keep players in hand, bet bigger OOP to get players to fold. Plus 4 betting we are blowing bluffs out the water and really narrowing our hand range making us easier to read.
Also by being in position we give him a chance to fire another barrell on the flop.
At 32:00 Turn gives us 17 outs with a OESD and a FD making us a 1.7 -1 favorite over any hand he has. Raising gives us a better chance to get all the money in, as well as folding out a better hand, yes ? Also he bets less than 1/2 pot into us, seems really weak.
But very nice narrative, once again you show you have a great poker mind.
yeah, i went over these two hands pretty well in the vid imo. the AA hand i went over a lot of reasons I like calling, and actually upon rewatching the vid i think the 4-bet to 34 is still a little big.
regarding the KTs, we just weren't sure of his line and elected to take the more passive route. i don't think a semibluff would be awful at all though. something to note is that you are taking a bit of a simplistic approach to calculating our equity; keep in mind the times that he has a strong hand like a set or 2-pair we do NOT have 17 outs.
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tubasteve
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I think your 4bet size in the AA hand where the BB squeezes was still a little bit off.
You basicly commit yourself by 4betting that big with 100BB effective stacks, if the squeezer knows this, it might give him a reason to fold more.
Make it 30 next time.
you might be right...if we were playing with 100bb effective stacks. rewatch the video imo. 
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tubasteve
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i don't agree w/ your comments on that J9o hand. i think the turn is an easy bet for several reasons:
1) he will often call w/ worse,
2) your hand is vulnerable,
3) he will rarely raise, either as a bluff or for value,
4) your draw may well be good, but it has poor implied odds,
5) check/calling sucks balls in general, and sucks especially hairy balls on this super wet board v. a probable station w/ and v. such poorly defined hands.
1) can you list the range of worse hands that call another bet?
2) what hands are we beating that have a lot of equity?
3) i think his range is greatly improved by the J turn, so i'm not sure what your point is.
4) i don't disagree with you there, but i'm mainly trying to get to showdown
5) its not that tough of a spot imo...when he bets twice we lose, when he bets one and checks it down we often win. he will also check behind a lot on the turn when he has a hand like 66...then we can get one more street of value on the river.
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sanjuanworm
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1) can you list the range of worse hands that call another bet?
2) what hands are we beating that have a lot of equity?
3) i think his range is greatly improved by the J turn, so i'm not sure what your point is.
4) i don't disagree with you there, but i'm mainly trying to get to showdown
5) its not that tough of a spot imo...when he bets twice we lose, when he bets one and checks it down we often win. he will also check behind a lot on the turn when he has a hand like 66...then we can get one more street of value on the river.
for points 1 & 2 there aren't all that many hands, but i guess Tx and some random crap like xxdd/99/J8 are what i'm looking to get value/protection from.
i agree that the turn improves his range and i think he'll bet a lot of those improved hands (JT/QJ/KJ/AJ) if we check, but i doubt he's raising them often on this board (scared of AK, sets, etc.).
i guess my main argument is that our money goes in better v. his calling range than v. his betting range, and since it's hard for him to raise this board w/ a hand that we've got much equity against, we don't lose much if we have to fold.
c/f is also a reasonable line, imo.
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1BYONE
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