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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

Don't worry, I'm not accusing you of taking a line. Nor am I saying my goal is not to shovel money into the pot (though normally it certainly wouldn't be). Which method in this exact scenario gets the mosts folds/works most often/is most profitable I don't think we're going to agree on. Either way, I appreciate your thoughts.

About the second hand where the villain shoves the turn on the 3rd flush card. If we had bet 11 on the flop (pot = 11+22=33), and about 28 on the turn as adviced, do we shove the last 54 effective dollars in the (11+22+56)=98 dollar pot or what is our river action then?

About the second hand where the villain shoves the turn on the 3rd flush card. If we had bet 11 on the flop (pot = 11+22=33), and about 28 on the turn as adviced, do we shove the last 54 effective dollars in the (11+22+56)=98 dollar pot or what is our river action then?

First off, I'm not saying we HAVE to bet 11+ on this flop, just that it's a line we can take profitably vs this particular villian if we so choose. I know that's nothing to do with your query, I just want to make the point. The river action, assuming we've bet bigger, doesn't change much because this villian is never ever bluffing. If we wanted to be sure we could bet a tiny amount as he is not capable of turning a weak made hand into a bluff (not that this would even make sense at that point), but I don't think that is necessary. If he's hit his hand he will shove, if he has any kind of 1 or 2pair or a set he will check, so it's still a fold for me. Vs a different opponent we'd be looking to play it slightly differently, especially if we feel they're capable of repping something as a bluff if scare cards do arrive, but since that never applies here we just want to extract vs someone who is never folding, he misses often enough that we can afford to build the pot in this way on the flop/turn and it's in our interests to do so.

On hand 1 what's wrong with just calling on the flop getting 3.5/1? I understand that by raising or shoving the villains will fold sometimes and there's $28.5 in the pot to win, but when they call their range is ahead of QhTh. It just seems like a very high variance play.

On hand 1 what's wrong with just calling on the flop getting 3.5/1? I understand that by raising or shoving the villains will fold sometimes and there's $28.5 in the pot to win, but when they call their range is ahead of QhTh. It just seems like a very high variance play.

It is high variance. There is nothing wrong with just calling at all, it's a standard viable line. But if we're taking standard lines I'd rather just fold pre flop since it's not profitable to flat that hand in that position pre flop. We deviated from that line (for good reason) and I would continue to deviate from standard play post flop (for that hand alone).

some great comments in this vid. i love this format, u can guess on the action on each street before the coach says the answer

Enjoy lurking and thinking about how people look at hands, but thought that hand #1 was one that seems to be frequent example of over-analysis. Again, I enjoy the back and forth, but here is my two cents......

One of the coaches in the video indicated it was a fold PF for them, but did it in a way to not take away from the current line of thinking. I think that is wrong. If you think it is a fold don't just go along because that is what is the polite thing to do. We then have a thread that is trying to cure cancer.Because you got stuck with a hand that you have np clue where you stand and even if you hit your hand, you still have 2nd best flush at best. K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple....stupid)

Based on what we know preflop. UTG TAG player well respected. Button Maniac could have anything. Hero BB with a poor hand in poor position. FOLD..... let the UTG take this shot at the whale. If this were a hand from a subscriber and one of these coaches was asked to analysis it......they would be tearing the fish apart. AM I RIGHT?

Come on guys this game is pretty simple, don't make it harder than it needs to be.

EDIT- Just read Vinny VT's Article "Moving up", had to laugh. That is exactly what I am talking about FOLD!!!!!!!

On the first hands,

As played the turn is a c/f imo, he is not folding ever and we don't have enough equity to check/call.

On the flop i prefer a call than a c/r, the fold equity is what makes the raise ev+. There is a huge fish in a hand, that's not good for our FE, UTG preflop raiser Cbet on a coordinated flop with a big fish behind him, he probably hit, that's not good for our FE.
I think calling have a much higher EV than raising, and i don't think it's close.

And i think leading the flop is better than any other line.

60:00 K9 hand I call the river cause villain's a fish and he's not repping anything. He could easily be playing AA like this. There's still a lot of combos of sets compared to just AA, but I'm discounting sets some since I think he'd bet the flop to protect his hand from the flush a lot, and I think he'd also raise the turn.

I think AAd and AK with a diamond makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately a made flush makes sense to me too, but given the way the hand went down I think it'd be a cooler if he had a flush and there's not as many combos of flushes especially since he min3bet preflop. I'm glad he actually had the nuts in this hand and hero folded so it doesn't look like I'm being result oriented when I say I like a call and hero calls and villain has AAd. The equity below is on a 7d9d3d2cKs board.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.778% 77.78% 00.00% 7 0.00 { Kc9c }
Hand 1: 22.222% 22.22% 00.00% 2 0.00 { AcAd, AdAh, AdAs, AdKd, AdQd, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKd, AsKd }

I agree with guitarizt on the last hand, as passively as he played it. Btw, I think we can get more value out of him on the river.

Can`t give it 5 stars this time, given the reasons stated in other posts, but I get a lot out of the series in total, so keep the good work up!