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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

at 3 minute is something wrong with video ....it is going to fast

I want to make a quick comment re the first hand as I don't know if I explained my thoughts that well (I don't remember and I don't have time to re-watch right at the minute). Shoving over the cbet and call on this flop does, in a way, look like exactly what it is but I think we need to approach the hand in terms of what we want to achieve above anything else. If our plan is to call or raise a standard amount and call/fold a blank turn then I think we should just fold pre flop since calling out of position vs an UTG raise isn't going to be profitable here often enough. If we call/raise the flop and we get there on the turn, that's all our action killed and it's going to be difficult in many scenarios to get more money in the pot. Discounting FE on the flop we're looking at a worse case (removing AhKh) of 40/60 pure equity, and I want to use it.

whats with the audio? if i fast forward (mp4) the audio disappears :S

Seems to be fine for me (wmv version), I'm sure Those In The Know will address any issues ASAP.

I am looking into these issues, hold on. Thanks.
-Rusty

the shove on the turn with QTs is not that obv too me. after such a big raise on the flop i think the range for villain to call is pretty narrow. Cuz he's tight i wouldnt normally put KJ in his UTG range here, but he might be 'reverse isolating' the fish.
Hand 1: 76.52% { KK+, JJ, AKs, KJs, AKo, KJo }

the shove on the turn with QTs is not that obv too me. after such a big raise on the flop i think the range for villain to call is pretty narrow. Cuz he's tight i wouldnt normally put KJ in his UTG range here, but he might be 'reverse isolating' the fish.
Hand 1: 76.52% { KK+, JJ, AKs, KJs, AKo, KJo }

In my above post I am only advocating a flop shove, when our equity vs his range can't be worse than 46% or so vs his possible range. The fact that this can happen on the turn is another reason why I advocate a flop shove. If we get into a turn decision here, I don't think we should even be in the hand to begin with.

Alright I have fought for this but finally I have a new copy of the mp4 version up. The other formats seem to be fine. Post if there are any more concerns. Cheers.
-Rusty

yeah i see your point in your first post (i started typing when there weren't any comments yet . But given the action on the flop, the video does not evaluate the turn action that much. (Only that if we were gonna raise the flop, we should do it smaller or shove.)

my point is that even when we do raise this much on the flop, we should still find a check/fold on the turn. Maybe villain checks back the turn with AK and we hit a free card.

working fine now, thanks rusty, great job as usual!

yeah i see your point in your first post (i started typing when there weren't any comments yet . But given the action on the flop, the video does not evaluate the turn action that much. (Only that if we were gonna raise the flop, we should do it smaller or shove.)

my point is that even when we do raise this much on the flop, we should still find a check/fold on the turn. Maybe villain checks back the turn with AK and we hit a free card.

I agree. I don't think I like just shoving this turn very much. But I don't think I get into this particular turn/stack/ev dichotomy often/ever.

I'm listening to the first hand right now. I just want to remark that we're not trying to get the money in flipping. There's already $28 in the pot once we make the check-raise, so if they fold we win that money 100%. There's no way our EV is higher than $28 if we get it in on this flop vs. Kx or Jx. I was actually stoving around a little bit and couldn't find a range where we're actually a favorite to win this hand. We want them to fold!

I'm listening to the first hand right now. I just want to remark that we're not trying to get the money in flipping. There's already $28 in the pot once we make the check-raise, so if they fold we win that money 100%. There's no way our EV is higher than $28 if we get it in on this flop vs. Kx or Jx. I was actually stoving around a little bit and couldn't find a range where we're actually a favorite to win this hand. We want them to fold!

I agree with the facts you've presented completely. The problem is, if that's the approach we're taking overall (and it's a good one) then we shouldn't be calling pre flop as it's not +ev to do so. We've taken an unorthodox line and I've advocated contining with it post flop as regards shoving the flop (I don't actually think continuing on the turn given the hand as played is good). In this case because of the fish/maniac/whatever we've taken a less than optimal line pre flop and that changes the dynamics of the situation. It is of course totally standard and good to make the play you suggest if we do call pre flop, (I did want to play somewhat devil's advocate and go with a unorthodox line, and it's certainly what I'd do, not purely hypothetical), but if we're calling here pre flop every time, that's a leak.

I didn't actually advocate any line.

I actually agree with the check-raise, but for entirely different reasons. If the goal's not to "shovel money in the pot", but to get the maximum amount of folds, the way we play will be entirely different.

I would actually advocate the small check-raise because it leaves us enough room to shove the turn on a blank. As played AK is going to feel committed to going with the hand when you shove $55 into about a $100 pot, whereas $70 into $75 or so is going to make him think twice.