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Villain: VPIP: 16 PFR: 13 WTS: 22 AF:5.6 c-bets: 70.0% Sample: 300 Hands - No Reads

Is raising the flop here too thin vs his range for isolating the UTG limper? His small cbet size is weak I would say. Would it make any difference to you if he cbet like 18?

Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 584587
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Hero (BTN): $200.00
SB: $245.10
BB: $208.80
UTG: $227.25
MP: $200.00
CO: $334.55

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9, 3 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6 8 3 (2 players)
MP bets $14.00

why did you just call preflop?

why did you just call preflop?

I don´t mind the flat-call against a somewhat tight raiser.

As played I think you could should be committed against his range so you could either take the "safe" route and raise the flop (to fold out his equity share) and call a shove or you can call the flop and see what happens on the turn.

I don´t mind the flat-call against a somewhat tight raiser.

As played I think you could should be committed against his range so you could either take the "safe" route and raise the flop (to fold out his equity share) and call a shove or you can call the flop and see what happens on the turn.

This particular opponent is probably not calling a 3b oop with much worse, and is going to put you in a pretty crappy spot if he 4 bets you. I like flatting pre and flatting the flop as a raise is not going to fold out any better hands ( obviously ), and won't be called by much worse. I think raising and calling a shove is spew.

This particular opponent is probably not calling a 3b oop with much worse, and is going to put you in a pretty crappy spot if he 4 bets you.

If this is why you flat pre, then calling the flop is the only thing that makes sense.

If this is why you flat pre, then calling the flop is the only thing that makes sense.

Which is exactly why I said I liked flatting the flop as opposed to raising.

I know. I was illustrating why I asked the question.

I know. I was illustrating why I asked the question.

Meh Internet misunderstanding. I thought maybe you had misread what I wrote.

See this size nowadays more often with sets from these guys id say Though a good spot to see what this size means, ie get to showdown or see its strength. +1 for just calling

so questions to ask yourself in situations like this....

1. how many tables is MP on? what's his level of focus?
2. how wide is his iso range of limpers in general, and does it change based on his position?
3. in a 3 way pot on 683fd what does his cbet range look like? does he cbet AK/KQ type of hands? is his range strong generally, or weaker/wider generally.
4. at this point you should take a look at poker stove to see what kind of equity you have against his cbet range.

there are situations where I would raise this flop, and situations where I would flat this flop. the wider your opponents cbet/value/semi-bluff range, the more likely I am to raise, the tighter his range, the more likely I am to call and play poker on future streets.

and yeah his small cbet size on a wet board looks like it might be a cheap airball, but who knows. consider all previous information.

does he cbet AK/KQ type of hands?

I think we can safely remove most of the AK combos from his range as he would have likely 4bet AK OOP.

Can we also remove some combos of AA/KK but not as many?

vs:

6 combos of AA & KK (discounted)
4 combos of AK (discounted)
6 combos of QQ
16 combos of AQ
1 combo of JJ
4 combos of KQs
6 combos of TT

on that board you have 48% equity.

Calling > raising the flop.

I think we can safely remove most of the AK combos from his range as he would have likely 4bet AK OOP.

Huh? He raised pre. Nobody 3bet him.