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200NL - KK 3bet 150bb deep vs weird vilain action


VICOMA1983

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Villain: VPIP: 42 PFR: 23 WTS: 36 AF: 3.1 donkbets 31% fold to 3bet 0/3 Sample: 125 Hands - No Reads

The flop I bet small to induce something. On the turn I think by raising I just make him fold worse, that he might decide to bet/"bluff" once more on the river. No the A hits which is definetly in his range. whats your decision here? I would have called off any other card, the A is really ugly tho.

Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 580371
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SB: $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $291.35
MP: $581.40
CO: $262.90
Hero (BTN): $388.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with K Diamond K Club
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($51.00) 6 Diamond 4 Spade 4 Heart (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $26.00, UTG calls $26

Turn: ($103.00) 7 Heart (2 players)
UTG bets $55.00, Hero calls $55

River: ($213.00) A Club (2 players)
UTG bets $186.35

Posted almost 2 years ago

Macio

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i think its an easy fold. I think AQ/AQ is well in your range and i think he knows that. I would just fold. As you said - any other card on the river and you are happy to call down and catch his bluffs but with A hitting the river and him not giving the respect seems like a 77 or 53s hand.

If he has s8 or set, I can't see him ever checking river as you are checking behind any KK QQ JJ TT hands so he bets to get vaule from his hand.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Djingo

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Excuse me, but just exactly what Ax hands are in his range?

Posted almost 2 years ago

rjpageuk

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This hand is very bizarre, and completely dependant on villian on whom you have little reads other than he appears to be a pretty bad player.

I dont see what Ax hands are in his range, and even if Ax is in his range I think villian is far more likely to bet smaller on the river hoping for a crying call than shoving for value (unless he has exactly AA here).

I dont mind looking him up here and I think you are ahead enough to do so. If you call the turn expecting him to bluff the river sometimes then he may see the A as the perfect card to do so.

Why are you so sure Ax is in his range here?

Posted almost 2 years ago

VICOMA1983

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This hand is very bizarre, and completely dependant on villian on whom you have little reads other than he appears to be a pretty bad player.

I dont see what Ax hands are in his range, and even if Ax is in his range I think villian is far more likely to bet smaller on the river hoping for a crying call than shoving for value (unless he has exactly AA here).

I dont mind looking him up here and I think you are ahead enough to do so. If you call the turn expecting him to bluff the river sometimes then he may see the A as the perfect card to do so.

Why are you so sure Ax is in his range here?



I am not sure that it is in his range. SO much could be in his range, even 53s. He seemed really weird. I liked the thought that he should see the Ace hitting my range hard as well and still he is betting. Looks like valuebetting to me. But on the other side he might also see it as a bluff card to make me fold TT-KK. I have no clue what to think here without reads.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tackleberry

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Bizarre or not, I give him precisely AA or 77. Wink

Posted almost 2 years ago

VICOMA1983

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Bizarre or not, I give him precisely AA or 77. Wink



was that you?^^

Posted almost 2 years ago

Steppin Razor

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Strange hand, but I think AK is possible, AQh, A4,77, QQ-99. It's a big bet and the A is a scare card. Tough spot. I think I call it, but think the ev of it is small.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tackleberry

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was that you?^^


No, but as you ask me I conclude that you called and know what he had - so I wish I had it been. Grin Sorry, mate, couldn´t resist - no offense intended. Wink

Posted almost 2 years ago

VICOMA1983

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No, but as you ask me I conclude that you called and know what he had - so I wish I had it been. Grin Sorry, mate, couldn´t resist - no offense intended. Wink



ACTUALLY I folded, still not sure if it was the correct play. AND the worst is I WILL NEVER KNOW^^

Posted almost 2 years ago

FenderJaguar

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flop I don't really see as small to induce, I see it as pretty standard in a 3b pot on a dry board. the fishier they are the more I tend to bet though.

when he leads the turn I can only think that he picked up equity of some sort, like a float w/overs of hearts or 88/55 or something. it's possible he plays a hand like 77 this way but unlikely.

when the A hits it LOOKS like an ugly card b/c you have KK, but the reality is that the only A he has is AX of hearts that floated and bet the turn, or slowplayed AA. it's super unlikely though possible.

I call the river b/c he has few aces in his range, and his value range in general is pretty thin. we don't know what his bluffing frequency is to compare, but it looks like he could have picked up a lot of draws on the turn and he may spazz out with worse pairs on the river. it's an awkward spot but I'm fishing it off Smile

Posted almost 2 years ago

1BYONE

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Bizarre or not, I give him precisely AA or 77. Wink



How about 77-QQ and AK in his range?

Posted almost 2 years ago

terryfan

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I would snap the river. There are just not so many AX hands that he can continue to play this way.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Tackleberry

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I would snap the river. There are just not so many AX hands that he can continue to play this way.



Wow - I´m not concerned about Ax, I´m concerned about other hands. What hands he would play this way that KK beat? Likely not QQ. Or am I wrong? What hands "pick up equity" on the turn that don´t improve by the river? I actually can´t see how we can stack off here ...

Posted almost 2 years ago

Djingo

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Wow - I´m not concerned about Ax, I´m concerned about other hands. What hands he would play this way that KK beat? Likely not QQ. Or am I wrong? What hands "pick up equity" on the turn that don´t improve by the river? I actually can´t see how we can stack off here ...



I find this a general tendency in your post. You have to work on your handreading, else you get bluffed off too much.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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