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Villain is playing 28/18/5 vpip/prfr/af
3bet% = 5 over 51 hands

Small sample I know but all I had at the moment

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1855679
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BTN: $122.36
SB: $100.00
BB: $41.62
UTG: $125.22
UTG+1: $53.57
UTG+2: $101.50
MP1: $120.90
MP2: $105.12
Hero (CO): $210.87

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $3.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $13, Hero calls $13, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $9.50

Flop: ($41.50) Q 8 6 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $39 Hero ?

Excuse me I see now that this is the shorthanded section mods feel free to close or move the thread.

What was your plan for calling pre? Unless UTG+2 or one of the blinds was a huge whale who always calls 3 bets oop I would prefer a 4 bet.

The pot size bet is seldom a bluff in my experience (I play mostly 6 max though), so unless you think he is the type of player to overplay a top pair top kicker type hand you are up against a strong draw, an overpair or the occasional QQ.

Agree with the previous poster, 4 bet here.

What range do you put him on here OTF?

Considering your answer to my previous question, do you think its better to :
A)FOLD?
B)Call?
C)Shove?

under what assumptions did you construct your range in this way?

What was your plan for calling pre? Unless UTG+2 or one of the blinds was a huge whale who always calls 3 bets oop I would prefer a 4 bet.

The pot size bet is seldom a bluff in my experience (I play mostly 6 max though), so unless you think he is the type of player to overplay a top pair top kicker type hand you are up against a strong draw, an overpair or the occasional QQ.

I wanted to the initial raiser to come along.

I have absolutely no reads on the 3bettor other what then the stats i gave, my thought was that he perceived my 3b cold call to be reasonable strong something like TT+ and AK. So when he potted it vs 2 players I thought he was very strong I can't see him do this with JJ I think he would cb smaller, he could do it with AQ if he even 3bets this hand, AA is a possibility and I think he would make it smaller with QQ to. Without further reads I cannot put him on a draw in this hand I don't know any of his 3b tendencies.

Agree with the previous poster, 4 bet here.

What range do you put him on here OTF?

Considering your answer to my previous question, do you think its better to :
A)FOLD?
B)Call?
C)Shove?

Once he CB this big into 2 players with knowing that I cc his 3b IP, I could only think of what i posted above. Once he cb this big I don't think he would fold anymore on the Turn with half of his stack invested so calling and reevaluting on the turn would most likely not be an optimal play here.
My thought was that although it sucks big time it was probably better to Fold, ive only invested 13$. And I think if I shove i am going to get called and see QQ and AA a lot here.

I'm interested in what a lot of other people think about his range when he plays it this way.

under what assumptions did you construct your range in this way?

I am sorry but I have no idea what you mean?

You mean why i don't 4b pre?

Once he CB this big into 2 players with knowing that I cc his 3b IP, I could only think of what i posted above. Once he cb this big I don't think he would fold anymore on the Turn with half of his stack invested so calling and reevaluting on the turn would most likely not be an optimal play here.
My thought was that although it sucks big time it was probably better to Fold, ive only invested 13$. And I think if I shove i am going to get called and see QQ and AA a lot here.

I'm interested in what a lot of other people think about his range when he plays it this way.

Flatting to play a 3 way pot with KK is usually not a good option. The more players are going to see the flop, the less are your chances of winning the pot.

As played, what about shipping OTF? With higher stack/pot ratio, I would only flat, but if you call here considering vilain's bet size, you are kind of comitted anyway. You can get value from strong draws, and the only hands that have you beat are QQ and AA.

I don't think there is anyway we are folding postflop.

Pre-flop i just cold 4bet. MP's range is strong here -> he's getting all in alot.

On the flop, MP's range is AA/KK, & QQ. His sizing looks protection'y, so i'd give him less AcKc. I don't know if he 3Bs AQ given positions.

Its hard to be good here. if he has AQ in his range, we have 48%, if not, we're 16%.

I am sorry but I have no idea what you mean?

You mean why i don't 4b pre?

I guess your taking this suboptimal line with KK (Range) to exploit some tendencies of villian ? We do not just have KK in this spot we have a range of hands.
Why did you construct your range this way ?

I guess your taking this suboptimal line with KK (Range) to exploit some tendencies of villian ? We do not just have KK in this spot we have a range of hands.
Why did you construct your range this way ?

Well I't wasnt to exploit some tendencies of the 3bettor(villain), I thought it was likely that the UTG limper(Fish) or the UTG+2 came along and I could maybe stack some of their hands also if their came a good flop for my hand, I cannot think of a good example to construct my range this way, could you elaborate on why I might construct it this way? or perhaps it's overall more +EV to cold 4b pre?