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Prologion

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Poker Stars $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

UTG: $196.70
MP: $233.77
CO: $145.32
BTN: $174.38
SB: $122.21
Hero (BB): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with X X
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, UTG calls $22, BTN calls $22

Flop: ($85.00) 9 Spade A Heart 8 Club (3 players)
Hero bets $35.92, UTG raises to $168.70, BTN folds,


BTN is a REG

Villain:
35/22
oR UTG: 27%
fold vs. sqz: 75% (12)

fold to cbets: 39/45/55
Raisevs cbet: 15%

He almost snapjammed vs. my cbet.
What you think such a player like him w/o further info can snapjam with here?

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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He could do it with A3 or 44 for sure. But in terms of range:
1) If he ships AQo+ than you have to muck AK, call 89+
2) If he ships ATo+, call AK+
He probably does not go any tighter/looser than this, so it's really a question of:
should I call with AK or not?
Since most players do not ship ATo in this spot, I would strongly consider folding AK almost always here.
I play much lower stakes so correct me if I'm wrong Smile

Posted 10 months ago

zachd2323

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He could do it with A3 or 44 for sure. But in terms of range:
1) If he ships AQo+ than you have to muck AK, call 89+
2) If he ships ATo+, call AK+
He probably does not go any tighter/looser than this, so it's really a question of:
should I call with AK or not?
Since most players do not ship ATo in this spot, I would strongly consider folding AK almost always here.
I play much lower stakes so correct me if I'm wrong Smile



I would not fold AK here like ever unless I had some very strong reads. Sure he has a couple 98s, sets (will sometimes slowplay) and possibly A9s, A8s, but he can also do this with AQ/AJ or other random hands like JT, etc.

Posted 10 months ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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what is the fishes agression frequency? Because depending on that, AK can become a fold, and A rag can become a call.

Posted 10 months ago

Prologion

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what is the fishes agression frequency? Because depending on that, AK can become a fold, and A rag can become a call.



he is pretty aggressive OTF w 35% afq.

I think heads up it would be nothing than a snap with even AT cause then fishes do enough silly stuff like even jamming some 9x-hand in non-0% and of course some weaker TPs, such as 76s and JT-combos.
plus keep in mind that fishes often do like slowplaying their > onepairs OTF...


Being it multiway, I am not sure cause imo many fishes are more honest multiway...
But even here, when he makes only a few % some silly stuff, then I pretty quickly get the needed EQ of 33% to call it off w AK-AJ...

Posted 10 months ago

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What you think such a player like him w/o further info can snapjam with here?



Something, that is almost always better than your hand. Occasionally OESD.

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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Something, that is almost always better than your hand. Occasionally OESD.


You're absolutely right. Everything is better than XX Wink

Posted 10 months ago

StackHunter

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You're absolutely right. Everything is better than XX Wink



Assuming XX = AQ and worse.

Posted 10 months ago

direstraights

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Your squeeze sizing seems rather large, are you increasing your squeeze size here specifically for value or to generate dead money pre-flop in order to steal it post-flop vs. the fish?

I'm "no way folding" AK here without the sickest read ever, especially against the kind of player who thinks Ax is the nuts here.

Posted 10 months ago

Prologion

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Something, that is almost always better than your hand. Occasionally OESD.




and exaclty your expression "almost" is the keyproblem here.
Use stove and you will see that he has not to be often random to have here an oddscall.

Posted 10 months ago

Prologion

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Your squeeze sizing seems rather large, are you increasing your squeeze size here specifically for value or to generate dead money pre-flop in order to steal it post-flop vs. the fish?

I'm "no way folding" AK here without the sickest read ever, especially against the kind of player who thinks Ax is the nuts here.



yeah,
whenever the fish is thew openraiser and a reg coldcalls, I am making my sqz-size slight larger OOP. (standard would be here 25).
Reason being that the reg has never a strong hand cause he would have isosqzed the fish preflop like always.
Hence his range must be pretty speculative.
So I just wanna give the reg worse odds for his speculative range (fish will anyways call pretty inelastic...)

Posted 10 months ago

7GramRocks

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He almost snapjammed vs. my cbet.
What you think such a player like him w/o further info can snapjam with here?



snap jams from fishy players are usually the nuts. Since they don't think about ranges, there's nothing to think about when they get the nuts ( or something they feel is nuttish). they just wait, and wait, and wait for their turn to act. Then, regardless of what you do, they snap jam. = my default read

Posted 10 months ago

Prologion

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snap jams from fishy players are usually the nuts. Since they don't think about ranges, there's nothing to think about when they get the nuts ( or something they feel is nuttish). they just wait, and wait, and wait for their turn to act. Then, regardless of what you do, they snap jam. = my default read




fits also with my experience - at least in a high %-tage.

Posted 10 months ago

SpewKid

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I agree, but do you really fold AK here?

Posted 10 months ago

Prologion

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I agree, but do you really fold AK here?



probably not cause fishes can do always something random enough...
He could jam here AQ in some %, for instance.... this combined with other not impossible randomness would et me call there AK, I think.

Posted 10 months ago




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