h8p5s
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Villain is reg who normally plays 2.5/5 zoom i believe, so I think he is better than most 200nl regs..
Basically I am experimenting with different things lately and am trying to balance my ranges. Villain over relatively small sample of 500 hands does not like folding the flop in 3bet pots. Preflop makes me believe he does not have QQ to AA or AK. I think he is peeling flop here very wide thinking i will fire one and give up very often. I feel his range is much more weighted towards air than made hands so i just want to let him fire. which makes me not want to bet turn. I also want to start balancing my range and if everytime I check this turn I am giving up then people can just print money vs me. Against a weak oppponent I would not take this line. I do not expect him to check back turn w FD since i think he will want me to fold AK which would beat all of his FDs. once he shows he has SD value by checking turn should i bet river? i do not rep anything as i would fire my FD on turn.
anyways advice on hand or if i am using bad logic please let me know, this is not my std line here..
Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
BTN: $468.03 (234 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $548.84 (274.4 bb)
MP: $100 (50 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A
A
UTG folds, MP raises to $4.30, CO calls $4.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $15, MP folds, CO calls $10.70
Flop: ($35.30) 3
2
9
(2 players)
Hero bets $17, CO calls $17
Turn: ($69.30) 8
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($69.30) 7
(2 players)
Hero checks,
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Miserry
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What you expect him to bet, when you check river ?
I like the thing with balancing our range, esp. vs these type regs, who floats like 2 overs here.
I do not expect villain to bet 66 there if there are any in his range and don't expect him to check back TT or better on the turn.
You can think about balancing your bet/check/bet range and see if he folds a lot, probably he thinks that you have no bluffs in your range (want to ch/r turn with strong holdings) and probably you can play perfectly in this spots against his range.
Once he start checking back hands like A9s/TT, you can start betting the turn for value and semibluff, putting pressure on this part of his range with like 2 overs, because you have good equity against his calling range and fold equity on the river, because your range will include a lot of value hands.
- I don't like balancing our range, before we have more history/dynamics vs this kinda villains.
If you think he can exploit you, instead of you exploit him, then balancing our range before all these things is a good thing.
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h8p5s
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its kind of about not being exploited but more about his air range (face card combos)>>> showdown range at this point (mid pp's), maybe im wrong though..
not sure what to do on river when he checks turn, i guess just bet as he has shown me he has showdown value here and would bet the turn with his air....
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Miserry
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I am agree with betting the river, because if he see us betting AA there, he will know that we have strong hands in this spots > > We can use this line as a bluff, untill he starts response with his bluffcatchers, then again we can start just valuebetting him.
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pokergarden
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Have to bet river when he checks turn. He's never betting for thin value on river with anything that he would not call a bet with, and will probably call a bet with a wider range than will be betting.
Also, your balanced range doesn't matter, if he thinks you have bluffs here ever then you don't need to put bluffs in your range.
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Adriano85
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I'm not at this level but I'm wondering if a good 500nl reg would call the 3bet with JJ,TT,AQ,AJs etc because that is the range even a 2nl player would assign him.. Would like to hear something about this from a 400nl+ player.
If I would take this line I would always bet the river. We might get called by AQ sometimes and def by TT-JJ. I don't know what you plan on the river but C/R is overplaying your hand and checking is losing value when villain checks back!
What's villains F3B? If villain is folding a lot to 3bets, we don't have to balance here IMO because we make money from his folds and if he calls we should only continue with the stronger part of our 3betting range that doesn't mind to get called 2 streets since we always go for value and don't bluff a strong 3b calling range.
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Miserry
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If I would take this line I would always bet the river. We might get called by AQ sometimes and def by TT-JJ. I don't know what you plan on the river but C/R is overplaying your hand and checking is losing value when villain checks back!
We are not lose value witch check, because villain's range is air heavy and it's most likely he bets himself with TT/JJ.
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Adriano85
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h8p5s
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StackHunter
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Preflop
Make it $18, you are OOP.
Flop
$17-$20 looks fine.
Turn
Ok I see you are thinking about adjusting vs his floating tendencies, which is good. Before doing so, make sure you know what you're doing. Some stats could be helpful (F23B, fold to c-bet in 3bp, Bet IP vs missed T c-bet, etc.), though they are not that important. The most important are reads / hands you've already seen.
What hands he could have called a sqz with? Some AQ/AJ/KQ type? What about small SCs? Some of those hit this board, some don't. Also, if they hit, no one said he will bet - maybe he prefers pot controlling over protecting his hand? You have to make some assumptions, count the number of combos and make your best decision.
W/o specific info I'd just keep betting, because:
- he might have T9s/98s or smaller pairs
- typical sqzing range usually contains high cards, so your perceived range on this board is weaker = he will be more hero call happy
- you have no solid evidence of him being stabby, otherwise you're losing too much value imo
And as played you obv bet ~~ $30-$40.
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