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Poker Stars $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players


UTG: $200.00
MP: $203.00
CO: $304.75
BTN: $217.01
SB: $191.60
BB: $206.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) X X
3 folds, BTN raises to $4.30, SB raises to $8, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.70

Flop: ($18.00) J 5 A (2 players)
SB bets $8.00, BTN raises to $28, SB raises to $70

Villain is a bad-aggro fish:
http://imgur.com/n5z5z

I just wonder on which range do you guys put him on here, given
- his line (pre min3b, undercbet/small 3b on the flop)
- and your own personal experiences/memories....

Even though he's bad-aggro, his pre sizing and flop line make me think he's pretty nutted here. Like AA, JJ, AJ, maybe AK-AQ, occasional spazz. At least those are the hands I would expect to see here, but I'm also curious of others' experiences.

Nutz

It could be anything, can't say anything more without specific reads. However, my experience tells me it is more likely for value. BTN would be stupid to raise here as a bluff...

It could be anything, can't say anything more without specific reads. However, my experience tells me it is more likely for value. BTN would be stupid to raise here as a bluff...

what tells you here your experience regards to his valuerange -> AA, JJ is here a huge difference to AQ,AK.

Most likely premiums { AK, JJ+ }.

you have 1k hands on him, don't you have at least a general idea of how he plays his strong hands?

His re-raise size on the flop is not generally indicative of someone that wants you to fold.

If he's truly bad aggro then it could be anything and it is not as likley to be premiums. I would play for stacks with any good ace, and if I am raising the flop against this player I am stacking off - if he is truly bad aggro then he is not folding ever.

If he's truly bad aggro then it could be anything and it is not as likley to be premiums. I would play for stacks with any good ace, and if I am raising the flop against this player I am stacking off - if he is truly bad aggro then he is not folding ever.

well, he could have also only called OTF.
For example you can 3b ppl w AJo pre for value vs their callingranges, but when you got 4betted of someone who does 4b rarely, you cannot ship for value.

kind of off topic on the range part but i would never raise fold here vs aggro fish. (not saying you did but just something to be said). if he is aggro fish i think im calling my entire range here if i want to conitnue as he is just gonna spazz out over 3 streets with a wide range, let the guy hang himself if he does not have the nuts.

And to me he is nutted way more times after you raise and he decides to 3bet flop opposed to a spazz out triple barrel if you just call. A 3bet preflop and then triple barrel spazz out is much different then him spazzing after hero shows strength.

If he's truly bad aggro then it could be anything and it is not as likley to be premiums. I would play for stacks with any good ace, and if I am raising the flop against this player I am stacking off - if he is truly bad aggro then he is not folding ever.

This is the only thing that makes sense from what Ive read so far.

+1 to this.

kind of off topic on the range part but i would never raise fold here vs aggro fish. (not saying you did but just something to be said). if he is aggro fish i think im calling my entire range here if i want to conitnue as he is just gonna spazz out over 3 streets with a wide range, let the guy hang himself if he does not have the nuts.

Good points IMO.

If the board is drawier/different I like raising.

The smaller the betsize, the more beneficial is a flopraise (with a hand which has a lot of value vs. a callingrange) and vice versa - reason: when the fish bet small, then he will oftentimes continue smallish -> Bluffinfucing has now less value.

This said,
if he would have betted big, I would have clearly called with all my madehands there.

This hand should depend on what you have seen him do in the past. Have you seen this line before from him?

The he plays this hand is how a fish would play aces, but a bad aggro - he could still have anything.

His 46% donk bet stat is interesting. Not sure what it means here, but he's def donking more often than when he hits the flop.