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Tech9ines

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$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1816315
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UTG: $87.28
Hero (CO): $260.79[b/]
BTN: $72.70
SB: $61.18
BB: $107.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J Spade J Club
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 5 Club 2 Club 4 Diamond (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12.75, UTG calls $12.75

[b]Turn:
($51.00) 4 Club (2 players)
UTG bets $51.00, Hero folds



- VPIP: 21, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 24

i assum hes bad right away based on stack size, but this may also be because you have to manually reload each time, i dont have history with said villian so im unsure whether he reloads or not at this point,

on to the hand, pretty standard 3bet IP imo based on the average players calling range,
FLOP: value betting 66-TT AJs+ KJs+ maybe even ATs,unliky 22 and 44 although ive seen it 55 borderline but not impossible,
TURN: really out of line donk OTT considering effective stack, most likely a bluff with 66-TT but folding as im unsure.......

thoughts???

maybe could bet flop bigger but halfing as a standard and i feel with effective stacks i didnt need to make it bigger as i can barrel it in easy enough as played

i havnt a fold3b stat on villian as i havnt 3bet vs him yet

and take into account i have the JClub

Posted 12 months ago

B-rye88

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Bet flop bigger.

Two reasons for this are that 1) If you bet $19 and get a $63 pot on the turn you have the option to jam and 2) If he's likely to call flop fold turn fairly often with Ax (which is probably true if he is bad) then you should make the first bet as big as it can be.

Posted 12 months ago

pokergarden

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That's an annoying spot but I think you have to put him all-in here and see him show up with AcX a lot, or as you said, an overpair.

It just doesn't make much sense for him to take this line with a nut-ish hand, and you don't need a ton of equity regarding pot size.

Posted 12 months ago

link23

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Seems like a shove. Youre getting a good price with your hand.

Posted 11 months ago

SpewKid

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That's an annoying spot but I think you have to put him all-in here and see him show up with AcX a lot, or as you said, an overpair.

It just doesn't make much sense for him to take this line with a nut-ish hand, and you don't need a ton of equity regarding pot size.



It's true that villain's line is bad with anything that beats us, but that doesn't mean we should call, especially when his line doesn't make a lot of sense as a bluff either. I think it's quite alarming when he donks out for full pot like that. I don't mind the fold.

Posted 11 months ago

1bigazzdog

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It's true that villain's line is bad with anything that beats us, but that doesn't mean we should call, especially when his line doesn't make a lot of sense as a bluff either. I think it's quite alarming when he donks out for full pot like that. I don't mind the fold.



If we cant consider that villians bluff line is terrible then the same also applies for the his value line. The villian is most likely a fish and this is the only assumptions we have after 24 hands so play accordingly. Folding here would be criminal IMO considering we only need 35% equity vs his shoving range. Against a range of AA(3)KK(3)55(3)44(1)22(3)A9c+ and all AxKc,AcKx,AxQc,AcQx we already have 32% not to mention the 66+ overpairs villian is jaming and some random one club draws.
Make the call take a note and adjust.

Posted 11 months ago




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