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hi it s a difficult sport for me because we are deep and i m not good at playing pair + draw

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players -

Hero (CO): $151.35 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.7, Hands: 65155
seen as a good tag

BTN: $110.33 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 5.3, Hands: 7510

SB: $257.54 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1922
he seems a good agro reg
here are my notes (i do not use hud)
steals a lot 44%
FOLD 3BET +++ 81%
3bet light des blindes
fold steal 75%
miss CB = fold ?
CB 59%
X/R 3 barrels set onr hyper dry flop

BB: $57.25 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 2.2, Hands: 290
UTG: $160.79 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.6, Hands: 140

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

he 3bet me a lot so i'm ahead of his range
i do not know what to do if i 4bet and he 5 bets or even he calls, so i prefer call expecting a 8 or a X/F from him...not so sure what to do this deep
even 100bb im not sure because he neve show me a 5 bet ligh even if he 3 bets a lot (i 4bet him quite a lot too) so i dont want to 4bet fold 88 100bb deep and playing 88 is not easy in 3bet pot

Flop: ($23.00) 5 4 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15.00, SB raises to $42, Hero??
ok this board seems ugly for his range, he checks, i got a read that he can X/F so i bet for protection, not so much for value (so to collect dead money)
when he X/R im totally, i think he s strong because we play deep and this board is ugly, and not so sure of my equity vs a strong range with an overpair 88 + openended...

i even don t know what range i can put here
i don"t see any good reason to X/R for value since im not used to bet 100% vs a missed cb. So all hands that i would bet would call a Bet and while betting he avoids that i can check with draw..
i dont see any good reason to X/R as a bluff deep and such a bad board without a solid history of X/R (whe dont have such a solid history)

vs a value range i m way behind but the range is surely not this one
pot odds are 25% so i could call vs this range but how do i play on and 8, on a 7 of club, 3 of club?..
Board: 5c 4c 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.173% 29.02% 01.16% 6607 263.50 { 8c8s }
Hand 1: 69.827% 68.67% 01.16% 15636 263.50 { KK+, 66-44, AsKs, AsQs }


so you have understood that's a very difficult one for me

thanks for your help have a nice day

Preflop
Deeper stacks, posistion, there are definitely some implied pot odds - calling IP is fine.

You know he 3b light from the blinds, but do you have any idea of how this range looks like? I mean, do you think it's depolarized or rather polarized? This is extremely important for your future gameplan on different board textures, otherwise you will be playing a guessing game. And after over 1k hands you should have seen something.

Flop
Guessing game starts here. If we put him on depolarized range - it missed mostly and we can take a stab (value+protection). Polarized range has hit this board fairly well - QQ+ is not going anywhere, so do suited connectors and/or Axs or something like that.

Second part is how he plays his made hands, draws and others.

i got a read that he can X/F so i bet for protection, not so much for value (so to collect dead money)

Uhm this information seems to be useless, looks like you've just seen him x/f as PFR - nothing new, since people miss ~~ 2/3 of the time. More important information would be: his c-bet stats, x/r range as PFR -> the latter occurs extremely rarely and almost never in massively bloated pots. Imo he is just too excited with KK+, AsKs and pulls a x/r.

Just b/f.

Preflop:
There are not many hands in your preflop range you should fold.

Flop:
Bet something like 8 with your entire range when checked to.

hi thanks for your answers

stackhunter
i do not have the information if hes polarized or not since i did not see many shovdown in 3 bet pots with him (i moslty 4bet or fold pre and when i call we moslty do not go to the river since he s agro) I f i have the read it would be in my note since i do not use a hud
but to me it s dificult to say that a polarized range does hit this board. A polarized can bet nut + Axs so he does not his often, it can also be nut + small suited connectors/gappers and he connects a lot..
Also if he s depolarized with pairs he hits a lot since 99+ are overparies, and if he depolarizes with suited broadways he does not hits at all.....so this concept of polarization/depolarization is not so easy to use for me but this is surely a leak and i would be glad to solve it

what do you mean by QQ+ is not going anywhere, so do suited connectors and/or Axs or something like that., do you mean he will play for stakcs? even 150 bb deep your glad with overpair of QQ?
i think i can find his CB stat but his X/R stats as pfr is not relevant with so few hands
if you believe he has KK+ AsKs why does he X risking a check of my draws?

improva
preflop dont' we avoid hands with 3rd nut hands or worse like Qxs and prefer to call with something like sets and Axs hands? (folding ofssuit hands and hands not drawing to nut like small suited connectors or as said Qxs Jxs...?)

why bet so small turn with my whole range on such drawy board?

thanks and have a nice day

Avoiding those hands is a sign of not understanding how to play a range rather than actual hand.

I´d fold to the c/r. Your equity seems not very good vs his range.

Your bet sizing on the flop is too big. 1/2 pot or so seems fine to protect your hand and collect dead money.

Avoiding those hands is a sign of not understanding how to play a range rather than actual hand.

hello, you re surely true, can you explain a little more, maybe i will understand a little more

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/34-Small-Stakes-Shorthanded-NL/531851-NL200-AQs-164-bb-Hero-Cal

thanks really interesting

Decrease your bet size on the flop to ~1/2 pot, after he check raises I think it's either a fold or a re-raise and not a call.

If we were 100bb deep, I think this is possibly a horrible flop to bet when checked to because your pre-flop calling range almost never improves to anything other than a flush draw, and if the bottom of the opponent's range consists of suited connectors than he nailed that flop really hard.

If villain did Cbet, is everybody pretty much min-raise calling here with the bluff catcher + gut shot on the two tone board or is this just the kind of board you want to shove over their cbet on and try to push out their flush draws while redrawing to 6 outs vs their over pairs?

the latter occurs extremely rarely and almost never in massively bloated pots. Imo he is just too excited with KK+, AsKs and pulls a x/r.

Just b/f.

You cant just make that assumption and bet/fold.

Also that logic kind of goes against each other.
If people rarely give up and c/f. When he does check it means he isnt folding enough so when he plays further he has still lots of air.

Just want to make another point clear. If you are bet/folding here you are extremely exploitable.

I'm not certain "being exploitable" here is a reason for not bet/folding 88, it's not like having an exploitable fold to 3bet% or BB fold to steal% where the villain is going to openly put pressure on you and force you to protect your range, Nobody says "I think his bet when checked to stat is expoitable" and then attempts to exploit it repeatedly by check/raising. They probably use that reasoning to justify the occassional bluff, but they likely aren't going to make an issue out of it for you repeatedly, especially when checking-back is such an effective adjustment vs. somebody who 3bets pre-flop and checks the flop as an exploitative strategy vs. you.