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Hero (BB): $352.85
UTG: $272.00
CO: $327.92
BTN: $122.00
SB: $276.27

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $26, CO raises to $44, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($89.00) 3 Q K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $66.75, Hero calls $66.75

Turn: ($222.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $217.17, Hero calls $217.17

75/29/1.8/38/50/(82) | VPIP/PFR/AF/WTSD/W$SD/(Hands)
3-Bet: 20% (out of 30)
vs 3-Bet Call/Fold/4-Bet: 60 / 0 / 40 (out of 5)

AFq F/T/R: 23 / 28 / 47
WWSF: 54%
C-Bet F/T/R: 43 / 75 / 0



Reads:
- slowplay happy OOP
- didn't lead value OTR
- min 3b = AIR?
- c-bets 'OAD' AIR?
- OR 2 bb = A8o


History:
Just few hands ago he opened 2 bb (160 bb deep), I 3b him to 8 bb with TT, he min 4b to 28 bb and I flatted OOP. Flop was 342tt, I check, he insta bets 3/4, I call. Turn was putting another FD on the board and he insta bet full pot. I folded.
Here my plan was probably a little bit off, because I should either put him on premiums and flat to set mine or put him on AIR and x/c till the end. However, I thought he might have some Ax hands with which he will shut down after getting called OTF.

Preflop
This time he opens to 4 bbs and I 3b for value. He min 4bets again and this time I am way more suspicious.

Flop
Identical pattern, insta 3/4 OTF with a plan to bet POT OTT. There is no way to construct a 29% range, which has an equity advantage over my AQ. That being said I close my eyes, click call and hover the mouse over the call button to snap it off on the turn.

Turn
Pretty bad card for me, but his range is still to wide.

I think you're not sure of your call cause you're not sure of his postflop tendancies/reads. But with what we have now, he seems to be bad aggro so I would exploit him by calling turn. As you said you probably have more than 29% of equity against his range. I expect a bad aggro to shove turn random Qx/9x/3x.

It's not an easy call cause you are at the middle of your range. You could consider 5bet small and call? bad aggro are likely to shove/call light and you're definitely ahead of his range.

Could you give me the meaning of OTR/OAD please?

OTR = on the river
OAD = one and done

Thanks, ok so he's more passive than expected.
I guess cause he doesn't fold to 3bet, you 3bet him with a depolarised range, so you will have a lot of Kx in your range so you're not getting exploited if you fold this hand (not a concern against a fish though).

I think with the read OAD and the fact that he seems bad, I would call KQ/KJ/KT/K9/Q9/JT/AhTh/AhJh; fold Qx/AJ/AT and wait for more reads (if bad aggro clear call turn/if passive postflop clear fold turn)

Please note that AF of 1.8 means a HUGE aggression when someone plays with 75% VPIP (it would be probably 5.4 for a 25% VPIP player, though I am not sure of this).

AF means nothing. A guy that folds 99% and raise 1% of the times sounds aggressive to you? That guy would have infinite AF.

75/29/1.8/38/50/(82) | VPIP/PFR/AF/WTSD/W$SD/(Hands)
3-Bet: 20% (out of 30)
vs 3-Bet Call/Fold/4-Bet: 60 / 0 / 40 (out of 5)

AFq F/T/R: 23 / 28 / 47
WWSF: 54%
C-Bet F/T/R: 43 / 75 / 0



Reads:
- slowplay happy OOP
- didn't lead value OTR
- min 3b = AIR?
- c-bets 'OAD' AIR?
- OR 2 bb = A8o


Here my plan was probably a little bit off, because I should either put him on premiums and flat to set mine or put him on AIR and x/c till the end.

That line of thinking is almost always wrong.

However, I thought he might have some Ax hands with which he will shut down after getting called OTF.

This is a MUCH better way of thinking.

Preflop
This time he opens to 4 bbs and I 3b for value. He min 4bets again and this time I am way more suspicious.

You 3bet because you think it has a higher EV than calling. Flatting the 4bet is pretty std. You should likely flat your entire range when 4bet.

Flop
Identical pattern, insta 3/4 OTF with a plan to bet POT OTT. There is no way to construct a 29% range, which has an equity advantage over my AQ. That being said I close my eyes, click call and hover the mouse over the call button to snap it off on the turn.

Once you see a flop you should without reads play your range and not your hand. Unless you are happy playing for stacks vs this player... but I guess you would not have posted the hand then.

That line of thinking is almost always wrong.

What's wrong here? I'd like to know if I have a leak I might plug

Once you see a flop you should without reads play your range and not your hand. Unless you are happy playing for stacks vs this player... but I guess you would not have posted the hand then.

vs 30% range:

Board: 3s Qh Kd 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.798% 68.72% 01.08% 8375 132.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 30.202% 29.12% 01.08% 3549 132.00 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

What's wrong here? I'd like to know if I have a leak I might plug

Villain can play a number of hands this way.. He can both have hands against which you have very little equity and he can have hands that you beat. It is not either or...

vs 30% range:

I'm not sure where you get 30% from.

Board: 3s Qh Kd 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.798% 68.72% 01.08% 8375 132.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 30.202% 29.12% 01.08% 3549 132.00 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

This stove looks pretty meaningles to me. Why do you think that is a good measure.. and where is the rest of your range?

a) He opens approximately 29% of his hands (his PFR)
b) He doesn't fold to 3-bets, but 4b a bit -> sample size issue, let's say he 4b 25% of his hands, so now he has 29% * 0.25 ~~ 7.5%
c)

Board: 3s Qh Kd 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.537% 40.08% 05.45% 970 132.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 54.463% 49.01% 05.45% 1186 132.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

Still over 33% equity, enough to call. Why do I think that is a good measure? Well I have to start somewhere. I'd even substract some top value combos, since I have seen him slowplaying with these - my equity goes up.

a) He opens approximately 29% of his hands (his PFR)
b) He doesn't fold to 3-bets, but 4b a bit -> sample size issue, let's say he 4b 25% of his hands, so now he has 29% * 0.25 ~~ 7.5%
c)

Board: 3s Qh Kd 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.537% 40.08% 05.45% 970 132.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 54.463% 49.01% 05.45% 1186 132.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

Still over 33% equity, enough to call. Why do I think that is a good measure? Well I have to start somewhere. I'd even substract some top value combos, since I have seen him slowplaying with these - my equity goes up.

You are still playing your actual hand vs a guestimated range. What I'm tell you to do it to play your range (because we very little knowledge of villain's range).

I can't understand what you mean. You mean I should put there my range, instead of 'guesstimated' 7.5%? My range will be stronger, but similar to what I put in stove.

My general point is, that his range is too wide, so it doesn't really matter in which way we are going to construct it - he just simply can't have enough better hands.

What I'm tell you to do it to play your range (because we very little knowledge of villain's range).

Also please write an example so I will understand what you mean.

What range will you see the turn with? Now fold the bottom of that range.

It is fine you know his range is wide.. But you don't know how wide it actually is and the frequencies with which he will bet the different parts of his range. Villain is not betting his entire range on the flop and certainly not betting all hands he bet on the flop on the turn.. When you only have a very poor guess your best bet is to play your own range. Which means that you fold the bottom of your range on each street.

When you flat weak hands OOP you are also flatting your strong hands..

So you could have posted the hand and asked. What range do we see the turn with and which hands should we fold.

Now I understand you. Hmm this is quite correct unless we pick up more reads on that guy. My top range on this board would be: (without AA, because I'd 5b it pre - or maybe I should flat it as well?)

Board: 3s Qh Kd 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.458% 69.55% 01.91% 64597 1776.50 { KK-QQ, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 28.542% 26.63% 01.91% 24734 1776.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }


Here I just have a massive equity advantage over anything he could possibly have. Problem is - if he is bluffing this huge advantage is not necessary, but again - we don't know anything about his frequencis, betting ranges, etc.

I'd like to know what others think about this hand, for example blah234.

You cannot really use Pokerstove because that requires that you assign a range to villain. At least you have to be very careful.

Villain is not bluffing or value betting... he has a range which we know very little about. The only thing you have to know in order to make the call pre is that his range is wide pre.

So what range do you see the flop with?

Hands like AJ, AT, JJ-TT are likely the hands you fold on the flop. On the turn Qx becomes the btm of your range. If you call it is because you are exploiting a spewtard. If that is the case.. then there is no point in posting the hand.