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BB is 24/16 after 37 hands. It's a shallow table. Do you agree with my line, or do you fold flop too?

SB: €52.78
Hero (BB): €75.77
UTG: €40.00
MP: €16.92
CO: €38.50
BTN: €189.60

SB posts SB €0.50, Hero posts BB €1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €1.50) Hero has K 2

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls €1.00, SB calls €0.50, Hero checks

Flop: (€3.00, 3 players) Q J K
SB bets €3.00, Hero calls €3.00, fold

Turn: (€9.00, 2 players) 5
SB bets €6.00, fold

I don't really see him having a lot of strong hands here. 9T is the only hand i can see hitting this flop hard that isn't raising preflop. I'm def not folding flop, and Probly calling turn too.

Let me put it this way, If turn isn't a call then flop is a fold for sure.

Nothing has changed other then that he made another bet, but I see no real reason for him to slow down with the part of his range that you beat anyway. So if anything we can maybe remove some Kx of his range that wouldn't continue. I'm not saying we can, I'm just saying that him continueing potentially more so weakens his range then strengthens it.

Let me put it this way, If turn isn't a call then flop is a fold for sure.

Nothing has changed other then that he made another bet, but I see no real reason for him to slow down with the part of his range that you beat anyway. So if anything we can maybe remove some Kx of his range that wouldn't continue. I'm not saying we can, I'm just saying that him continueing potentially more so weakens his range then strengthens it.

Interesting point.

If we call the turn here I think I'm fold on an ace or a club river if he barrels since his draws complete.

Let me put it this way, If turn isn't a call then flop is a fold for sure.

Nothing has changed other then that he made another bet, but I see no real reason for him to slow down with the part of his range that you beat anyway. So if anything we can maybe remove some Kx of his range that wouldn't continue. I'm not saying we can, I'm just saying that him continueing potentially more so weakens his range then strengthens it.

K then I'm inclined to fold flop now. I just don't see a 24/16 starting to go crazy with anything I beat except te NFD or a combo draw - FD with a T etc. in a 3-way limped pot. And if he has those, folding flop is really not bad anyway.

His stats and actions (completing) indicate passiveness, people don't really fight for limped pots, he's OOP into 2 other players on the wettest board possible. You guys actuall see K5o starting to barrel here?

I'm confused as to why asked about K5o, it makes 2 pair on the turn. If I have 2 pair n this board in a limped pot I'm barreling all day long. No one is showing up here with a better 2 pair

I'm confused as to why asked about K5o, it makes 2 pair on the turn. If I have 2 pair n this board in a limped pot I'm barreling all day long. No one is showing up here with a better 2 pair

I meant on the flop, it was just meant to be a TPNK thing. Feel free to replace it with Kx

I think this is actually a fairly interesting hand. Even though I think we're likely ahead on the flop, might be losing to his range by the river.

Thinking about it more I can see just folding flop. I would like to see the equity calculations on this.

There are plenty of hands you are still ahead of on the turn. FDs, pair plus O/E obv not with TP.
But thats alot of combos right there that I assume he will usually be double barreling. TBH even random
MP hands should be barreling here since players love to put people on draws and this board is super draw heavy. Its call on turn, and fold on basiclly every river he bets. Simply because not many players
are bluffing there missed draws or turning MP into bluffs on the river in dead pots that often at all.
I do agree though, if you call this flop and plan on folding this turn, fold on the flop. Players will bet the turnwith pretty much everything he bets the flop with.
Ive been in this spot alot (6years playing) and Ive had good success calling F and T.

In the future vs tougher/more aggro players you can sometimes call 3 if it bricks out. Its close and you will certainly need a read, but you will deff see 3barrel bluffs alot more often vs the aggro dudes.

Easy easy turn call.

He should raise 2 pair hand preflop (so should you), so both your ranges are weaker. He has a bunch of weak Ax hands and Txcc or even Tx hands.

Your range really looks like pairs (+draws) too so if you are folding this you are basically folding way too much of your range.

I would call turn and make a decision on the river. People dont usually bluff 3 streets 3 way so I maybe able to fold this on the river, but as given how weak his range is on the turn you really cant fault calling a river bet.

Min raise turn b/f, we get value from his Tx maybe worse Qx Jx and villain is gonna be checking rivers this way a lot...and get a free easy SD instead of getting 3 barrelled on or him checking river with his busted draw, this way we still get value from his whole range...Also sometimes we value-own ourselves here...but how pot is played SB still has as much Tx as Kx here...prob more Tx actually

Min raise turn b/f, we get value from his Tx maybe worse Qx Jx and villain is gonna be checking rivers this way a lot...and get a free easy SD instead of getting 3 barrelled on or him checking river with his busted draw, this way we still get value from his whole range...Also sometimes we value-own ourselves here...but how pot is played SB still has as much Tx as Kx here...prob more Tx actually

This can be a good/creative plan too.