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BTN is a 21/16 reg. 3b 6%. Have not seen him get out of line too often. BB is a 25/10 loose-passive.

Merge Network $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1799911
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BTN: $1075.65
SB: $280.26
BB: $161.68
Hero (CO): $251.99

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with Q Q
Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Standard.

Flop: ($19.00) Q T K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14.25, BTN raises to $45.91, BB folds, Hero calls $31.66

I do not expect the reg to raise light here in a HU pot and with a loose guy in the pot. His range is probably something like TT, KQ, AJ, J9s, maybe KT/QT and the maybe an occasional semi-bluff. So the problem with getting it in here is that we are somewhat deep and he probably won't get it in with his two pair hands and I block most of them anyways. So with all those considerations, is this a spot where it is best to call and play a turn as opposed to getting it in?

This is a sick spot (good sizing by villain btw) i don't really like any of our options oop. I just feel like no matter what decision we make its going to be a mistake. Clearly villian is a tough reg and oop i think i like jamming the flop and hope like hell the board pairs.

I expect you have taken KK and AK out of his range as he would have 3bet them preflop. I think you can add Ax spades into his range also giving him nut flush draw.

He has very few nut hands in his range and a lot more pair+draw or just draw hands. If this is true getting it in on this flop is probably correct (I think).
You are a small favorite against KsJs and still have around 30% equity against AsJs and way ahead of all other 2pair or smaller set (TT). You are around 64% favorite against a flush or straight draw or pair + FD or SD.
I don't play stakes this high so maybe I am a dumbass.... but I am happy to get it in on this flop....

I expect you have taken KK and AK out of his range as he would have 3bet them preflop. I think you can add Ax spades into his range also giving him nut flush draw.

He has very few nut hands in his range and a lot more pair+draw or just draw hands. If this is true getting it in on this flop is probably correct (I think).
You are a small favorite against KsJs and still have around 30% equity against AsJs and way ahead of all other 2pair or smaller set (TT). You are around 64% favorite against a flush or straight draw or pair + FD or SD.
I don't play stakes this high so maybe I am a dumbass.... but I am happy to get it in on this flop....

Yeah I would expect him to 3b KK+, AK almost always. He can probably have the occasional KK, but probably rarely.

The problem I see with getting it in here is that I think we are looking at a range of AJ, J9s, and maybe some Ax of spades hands (not sure he always raises flop with these). Against this range I think our equity is something like 40%. If I shove he should probably be folding his 2 pair and TT, given we are somewhat deep and I can have all combos of AJ, J9, and bigger sets in this spot. I also do not expect him to have a lot of pair + draw hands because he is not the type to often raise flop with these hands from what I have seen. I think it is more likely that he will flat and so when he raises flop we are likely facing a really strong range.

I don't play stakes this high so maybe I am a dumbass.... but I am happy to get it in on this flop....

I'm not saying that getting it in is bad. It could very well be the best play, but I'm not too thrilled when we get it in vs. this villain.

Shitty spot, get it in IMO. Can never feel terrible about getting it n with middle set on such a wet board.

You think about calling because you want to keep his 2p's and pair+draws in his range but some turn cards might kill the action for you.

Pretty tough spot and can go either way. If we 3-bet small/shove I would not expect villain to fold TT/KQ, since there could be many combos of worse two pair, pair + draws, naked draws, etc. in our range. So against a tight range of only TT, KQ, AJ, J9s, we have 42% equity. Given the amount of money in the pot + fold equity this makes getting it in OTF a +EV play. Also I think his range will likely include a few more worse hands and draws, both giving us more PE when we get it in.

What do you know about villain's postflop tendencies? Is he aggressive/bluffy? Will he turn his missed draws into bluffs? If the turn is a blank is he likely to bet a QTs type hand, or will he check that for pot control? If you think he's straightforward, than you probably will not be getting in a whole lot more money in against his worse value hands, and you could be in a tough spot if a scare card hits and he puts in a bet. Personally I would shove here.

I would prefer to try to get it on the flop he is doing this with a wide range and your range looks pretty wide too. There are so many bad turn cards not only bad because they are good for his range but also they could kill the action from his TT KQ.

This is just a really bad board texture to have to play a turn imo.

yeah i prob 3b flop to like 84. he'll prob still flat at least 1 street with all 2p combos and ship draws.

He is never raise folding TT here, he might even have difficulty folding KQ if he raises it, as when you ship you can look like a good draw yourself, as well as QT, KT or even a panicked AK or AA. And the pot we pick up from the times he is raise folding 76ss, 78ss or 89ss, will offset somewhat the times we get it in as a slight underdog vs a straight.

He is never raise folding TT here, he might even have difficulty folding KQ if he raises it, as when you ship you can look like a good draw yourself, as well as QT, KT or even a panicked AK or AA. And the pot we pick up from the times he is raise folding 76ss, 78ss or 89ss, will offset somewhat the times we get it in as a slight underdog vs a straight.

And we still have 35% equity the times he has a straight

Pretty tough spot and can go either way. If we 3-bet small/shove I would not expect villain to fold TT/KQ, since there could be many combos of worse two pair, pair + draws, naked draws, etc. in our range. So against a tight range of only TT, KQ, AJ, J9s, we have 42% equity. Given the amount of money in the pot + fold equity this makes getting it in OTF a +EV play. Also I think his range will likely include a few more worse hands and draws, both giving us more PE when we get it in.

What do you know about villain's postflop tendencies? Is he aggressive/bluffy? Will he turn his missed draws into bluffs? If the turn is a blank is he likely to bet a QTs type hand, or will he check that for pot control? If you think he's straightforward, than you probably will not be getting in a whole lot more money in against his worse value hands, and you could be in a tough spot if a scare card hits and he puts in a bet. Personally I would shove here.

He would have to think I'm pretty bad to get it in here with worse two pair than KQ imo.

Villain is not what I would think of as aggressive/bluffy. He's a solid player and capable of making some timely bluffs but not the type to raise very many flops light. But I agree that it might just be a shove since the turn is going to put us in a lot of tricky spots and it can probably never really be minus EV to get it in here.

I would prefer to try to get it on the flop he is doing this with a wide range and your range looks pretty wide too. There are so many bad turn cards not only bad because they are good for his range but also they could kill the action from his TT KQ.

This is just a really bad board texture to have to play a turn imo.

Why does my range look wide when I cbet this board into two players? I also do not think that he is raising my cbet with a wide range.

I agree that this isn't an ideal spot/board to have to play a turn OOP, but I don't think that alone makes getting it in the best play.

Why does my range look wide when I cbet this board into two players? I also do not think that he is raising my cbet with a wide range.

I agree that this isn't an ideal spot/board to have to play a turn OOP, but I don't think that alone makes getting it in the best play.

It's not just the turn though, being so deep you might be putting bets in on 2 more streets. QQ is relatively top set here since he never has KK. Just seems like you should get it in now when still have decent equity agains his made hands. If he's semi bluffing, just folding out his equity is fine IMO. Theres so many chances to make mistakes later n the hand I think shoving niw is the best play.