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This is a very strange hand that can only happen because villain and I are very deep stack > 200bb. It could be worth mentioning this is Zoom poker.

Villain is 35/31 (28 hands) with 3b 40% (5 hands) so not much info. I am a 29/25 w/ 3b 15% and steal from CO 35% this session.

I would say everything is normal until turn. On turn villain bets almost pot after donking small on flop. This to me implies a drawing type hand AX club. I raise since I believe I will take this hand down here a bunch of the time. When villain 3bs me I am even more convinced he is on a draw, but I cant ship now because he might call with AT clubs or something so I opt to call to take it down on river.

Villain bets river and I can only raise w/ 70$ in a > 400$ pot.

What I am wondering:
1. Even though I am almost certain villain has drawing type hand (since what other hand is he repping?) can I ship here (is it plus EV) figuring that he will fold everything except TT and 89?
2. What does villain have here most of the time?
3. Should I have just given up on the turn?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1792809
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common1326: $277.18
AthaHQ: $323.56
mmentis80: $54.00
xx HaZ: $109.46
sloter79: $52.00
Hero (): $266.01

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is with 9 Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, AthaHQ calls $2, mmentis80 calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.50) 2 T 7 (3 players)
AthaHQ bets $3, mmentis80 folds, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($13.50) 4 (2 players)
AthaHQ bets $10, Hero raises to $30, AthaHQ raises to $75, Hero calls $45

River: ($163.50) 6 (2 players)
AthaHQ bets $118 ???

i don't see why villain can't have a set here

he's put in ~190 and you want him to fold for 80 more when the pot will be ~450?

-_-

raise flop if you want to mess around. turn raise is pretty awful

is turn raise awful with all hands?

no, but with this one, ya. i'd rather do it with a hand that can't really improve, can't bluffcatch river a ton and should expect to fold out his leading range

dont raise turn. as played fold river. put villain on a hand range for this texture

Maybe if you didn't have the draw yourself. You hold blockers to both FD and 89! So not a good time to be a hero imo But sometimes you just know and you have to ship it

i think youre getting called here more than 90% of the time. if he has air thats a pretty spewy line by him. id imagine most regs will just flat an overpair to the turnraise, so I guess most part of his range is even stronger and never folding to those odds on the river. and the flushdraw busted which makes people call a bit lighter.

dont like the turn raise either. when you call the flop youre capping your range a bit and more importantly, villain is barreling in a spot thats not good to bluff.

I was mostly thining along the lines that if I ship there I am never bluffing (sure this time I would be but > 99% I would have the nuts) and at this level players know that when someone ships over on river they have it always. I figured that villain would know that and fold alot (even though pot odds are superb), or am I overestimating his thinking?

I was mostly thining along the lines that if I ship there I am never bluffing (sure this time I would be but > 99% I would have the nuts) and at this level players know that when someone ships over on river they have it always. I figured that villain would know that and fold alot (even though pot odds are superb), or am I overestimating his thinking?

You think by repping 4 combos of value hands that you would get villain to fold? You never have a set here so this is just spew.

I was mostly thining along the lines that if I ship there I am never bluffing (sure this time I would be but > 99% I would have the nuts) and at this level players know that when someone ships over on river they have it always. I figured that villain would know that and fold alot (even though pot odds are superb), or am I overestimating his thinking?

This is pretty bad logic.

For the odds he is getting you have enough FD bluffs (which you actually have in your range) for him to always bet/call the river with any showdown hands.

The only reason to shove river is because you dont think he has showdown value, or has some really shit SD value like 4xcc or 6cc which might fold. Making him fold anything decent is stupid, because you have way more bluffs than 1% of the time here. Its probably like 10-20% of the time Id say on estimate maybe more, especially if you play a lot of your FD with this line.

Re think the turn action from your opponents point of view.

If you had a monster hand it would HAVE to be vulnerable to the flush draw so you would not just flat his 3 bet, you would jam. Since you called he will, if he has any sense, put you on a bluff or a draw and he can even call you down light on the river.

I am interested to know what happened as I am too results orientated.

What I am wondering:
1. Even though I am almost certain villain has drawing type hand (since what other hand is he repping?) can I ship here (is it plus EV) figuring that he will fold everything except TT and 89?
2. What does villain have here most of the time?
3. Should I have just given up on the turn?

Why are you so sure he has a draw? To me when he donks into 2 ppl he's representing something like sets, 2 pairs or maybe TP or OP.
Then when he pots the turn it looks like he's trying to protect his hand so i don't think that his turn bet is representing a draw either. Finally when he 3bets you he's got almost always a set.

That said I would probably have raised on the flop since you are deep and you can apply a lot of pressure to villain by raising: you can comfortably call a 3bet or barrel most turn when he calls your flop raise.