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Hi,

New here, but have been reading for the last weeks on the forum. Decided I also want to post here and hopefully learn more about this game and how to improve my own game. I'm still playing 50NL as my maingame but I am opening like 1 to 3 tables 100NL for the past weeks every session I play because I really want to move up now.

Ok now the hand,

Villain that opens on the CO is a fish and plays 38/21 with a 3.2 3bet. As you can see we're both 200bb deep.

I've been dealt AKo in the SB so pretty std 3bet for value against the fish. Although I am 3betting, I am not willing to stack off AKo 200bb deep vs this villain. Villains seems to be pretty passive with 3 and 4bets so far so when he 4bets I really think I have to fold.

So I 3bet, villains calls and the flop gives me TPTK on a superdry board. I think cbetting here is pretty std? Villains folds 1/2 vs cbets in 3bet pots so far and I'm getting value from any Ax, 6x. and maybe some pp like 77-QQ.

Since we're both 200bb deep I decided to cbet a little bigger then the std 1/2 pot in 3betpots. Now I'm also noticing I had to 3bet preflop a little bit bigger because now I will never get the money in on the river. (To late, I know.)

But now, villain minraised my cbet. On this board. VIllain obviously doesn't rep anything, not that fish give a fuck about that, but I'm not very happy. Villain thus far raised 0/2 cbets in 3bet pots and 0/10 in normal pots and doesn't seem that aggresive.

But still, I don't think I can fold. The stats are over a small sample and villain always can bluff or do this with his Ax.

The turn brings a card thats not very intimidating but villain keeps betting after my check. What to do?
Is a fish bluffing here 200bb deep on a Axxx board taking this betsize? Or do you guys think he also can do this with AQ or something. Maybe total air?

Stats VIllain
38/21/3.2 3bet
aggr factor 2.58
foldto3bet 0 (3) 4bet 0
fold to cbet flop 3bet 50% (2)
raise cbet flop3bet 0 (2)
foldtocbet flop normal 69%

This is all over 160 hands.

No notes/reads

Prima Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1763464
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $110.66 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 218
UTG: $108.18 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 173
MP: $250.66 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 84
CO: $190.20 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 21, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 162
BTN: $100.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 2.9, Hands: 457
Hero (SB): $194.42 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 213244

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10.50, 1 fold, CO calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.00) 6 A 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.00, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($82.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $41.00

Final Pot: $82.00

hey,
my main question is in which way he's a fish? passive, splashy, aggro? If you declare him as a fish, you should have some notes after 150 hands. - so the way how to continue here really depends on this. But as a standard, a minraise by a fish is really strong. Especially in a 3bet pot.

Without any info, I call raise and c/f Turn. 3betting pre here is mandatory imo! Sizing seems good both streets. probably slightly bigger pre.

By the way, you don't have to write a story how the hand went ;-) Makes it easier to focus on whats important. Probably post some table dynamics etc. next time.

Have fun on DC!

OTF his range is probably sets, two pairs, worse Ax's, and some strangely played KK/QQ type hands that "want to see where they're at." His bet and sizing OTT does make his range a lot stronger, but I'm still getting this in. Sometimes he has sets/two pairs, but he's going to have plenty of worse Ax as well.

likely calling flop and playing a turn. i'd not always fold turn, but probably folding this one, unless we have a great idea how often someone bluffs and continues and when he gives up. the 5 sucks though..

If he can min-raise the flop with sets, 2pairs and AJ+, you are close to 50% to win.
Board: Ah 6s 4c

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.830% 41.05% 07.78% 16254 3082.50 { AdKs }
Hand 1: 51.170% 43.39% 07.78% 17181 3082.50 { 66, 44, AJs+, A6s, A4s, AJo+, A6o, A4o }

If you add some pure bluff or weak holdings, then it's a good spot.

But as soon as you take AJ out of his raising range OTF, and if you take some A4 A6 combos out that he would have folded preflop, then you are in pretty bad shape. You need to figure out if he could do this with enough worst A so that calling down is profitable.

The turn bet confuses me. I can't decide if it's a bet that begs for a call or a small A not sure what to do. But this deep, I would fold. 100BB deep I would stack off.

i think turn is a fold as our range is atleast Ax+ and villian continues to barrel. most villians dont take this line with worse esp 200bb deep.

I think villain is fish because I've seen him limp several times before this hand. His stats also looking kinda fishy.

But yeah, I agree. Turn is a ch/f. And his betsizing is looking so strong. While I was playing I did thought that the fish could this with Ax or something so I called the turn. But looking back at it now, my turn call is bad. Unless I had some reads or something on him but I didn't at that moment.

River gives me 2pair..so can't get away now. ch/c or lead and shove?

Shoving myself will let him snapfolding his bluffs so ch/c is better imo..and money will go in vs A4/A6 anyway dont expect him to check that behind.


Prima Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1765851
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $110.66 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 218
UTG: $108.18 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 4, AF: 1.1, Hands: 235
MP: $250.66 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 84
CO: $190.20 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 21, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 162
BTN: $100.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 2.9, Hands: 457
Hero (SB): $194.42 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 218616

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10.50, 1 fold, CO calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.00) 6 A 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.00, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($82.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $41.00, Hero calls $41

River: ($164.00) K (2 players)
Hero
CO

Final Pot: $164.00

probably sounds goofy, but I check fold this River. Fish will quite often just cback twopair here (but how often does he really open A4 A6 and call 3bet?). sets are far more likely, so we are still behind to often to make it a break even call.

Thing is, by c/c Turn we should give him a different range than I gave him. So we obviously have to c/c the river (but this shouldn't be that much different from any other river card).

donkshoving only makes sense if you give him no bluffs, but AT-AQ.

I really don't see how you can fold this river if you called the turn...It's a small sample, but someone who raises 21% preflop and never folded to a 3bet (only 3 sample though...) can maybe have A4s, A6s here, especially since he open-raised from CO, i.e wider range.

And since folding is really tough here after your turn call, I wonder if betting out is not better. If you call a shove or a bet anyway OTR and go broke to his sets, by leading, you'll probably get paid by the 2 pairs he could check behind... But folding turn is the best play imo.

i wanna bet small

i agree we should make a small bet here. with given action villian can easily have worse 2p or something like AQ/AJ.

How much is small? 1/2? 1/3? 1/4? we both have €110 left in a €160 pot..

I agree villain is almost always checking his Ax behind but I don't think he always checks his flopped 2pair behind. But since I don't see fish bluff 3 streets that often leading makes more sense for max EV I guess.

If we're ever inclined to lead the river, we should rather go for max value on the flop or on the turn.

What line is max value on flop or turn according to you?

I don't think a flop reraise is good because he will fold his bluffs and maybe even some weak aces. Turn same thing..why just don't ch/c and let him bluff flop and turn for max value from his bluffs?

This river card changes the situation of how to get max value from the top of villain his range that we have beat now.

as I posted earlier, check/fold Turn and probably check/fold River.

But if you think leading river is good, because villain will call with AT-AQ (which I've never seen in a spot like this) we should 3bet Flop or check/raise Turn. - A player that raises those hands for value will never fold.
If you think leading is good to get called by A4 or A6 compare it to his shoving range (which might actually also include A4 A6, so we suddenly get bluffed without villain knowing he's bluffing).

If he is ever bluffing in this hand, he will mostlikely bluffshove over your small lead aswell.

I think some people are suddenly overthinking ranges and want to become creative for wrong reasons.