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Villain: VPIP: 24 PFR: 18 WTS: 24 AF: 3.0 C/R flop 10% Folds to 3bet 59Sample: 24k Hands - No Reads expect that he is multitabling big time (9tables)

I 3bet quite a bunch at that deep table

First off, maybe a check back and call turn reevaluate river isnt bad here, what you think?

Then as played: Would you call and reevaluate turn here? He is repping a very narrow valuerange here and his capable of C/R bluffing air I would assume from his C/R stat.

Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 896015
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BTN: $329.00
SB: $407.40
BB: $210.00
UTG: $384.85
Hero (CO): $377.20

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with K A
UTG raises to $6, Hero raises to $24, 3 folds, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($51.00) 9 6 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30.00, UTG raises to $74

If this was a hand CO vs. BTN I would follow exactly all you said, because the flop most likely had missed your 3bet range and Villain most likely knew that.

But as played you 3-bet an UTG-raiser. Even if you were active so far, this most often is perceived as pure strength, no matter what your image so far was (unless it was maniacal).

Said this, you´re perfectly credible repping AK or an overpair, which means that a C/R with air oop is pure spew. Just muck it and go on.

Ah - and naturally I like checking behind because you won´t ever get a better hand to fold - and rarely a worse hand to call.

Ah - and naturally I like checking behind because you won´t ever get a better hand to fold - and rarely a worse hand to call.

That's correct, but we should also think about how we play the rest of our range. We would always cbet our air in this spot and we would be barreling scare cards like A/K/Q. However if we start checking back our AK and AQ hands to try and take them to showdown we can no longer credibly rep these scare cards.

Especially on a board as dry as this one, where we very rarely get check/raised I would much prefer to cbet. It gives us options to barrel, we set our own price, it strengthens our barreling range as a whole, it denies villain his equity when he has 2 unpaired cards, lots of good things can come from it.

When we do get check/raised I would give the hand up without any reads. I would however keep a close eye on the guy for how he plays future 3bet pots OOP.

We would always cbet our air in this spot and we would be barreling scare cards like A/K/Q. [...] Especially on a board as dry as this one, where we very rarely get check/raised I would much prefer to cbet.

Depends on the Villain, for some (not even overly aggro players) this is a No.1-board to c/r because it hits you so rarely, and as you said - there´s not much you can do about it. Against Villains who play fof oop it´s an easy fold - but OP told us that he expected Villain to c/r with air - which makes that simply a crappy spot to cbet with the nut-non-paired hands and (probably) six outs.

Why would you cbet this board vrs this guy.Your totally owning yourself here.
I think its just soooo much bettor to not cbet. Auto cbeting is a prety big leak vrs guys like this.

Why would you cbet this board vrs this guy.Your totally owning yourself here.
I think its just soooo much bettor to not cbet. Auto cbeting is a prety big leak vrs guys like this.

yah i dont cbet here, check and then probably peel turn. villain is probably betting like every turn when we check behind. let him own himself, and dont yet you own yourself.

The logic you guys use makes little sense to me.

If you think you're getting c/r bluffed so often in this spot it makes cbetting even better as our AK beats all of villain's air.

However we have no indication that villain is likely to check/raise us with air in this spot and we shouldn't adjust our strategy until villain shows us he is the type to do so. Make him adjust to us first by forcing him to deal with our aggression. Don't do it the other way around where you adjust your game based on assumptions about his game you pull out of thin air. You'll just end up outleveling yourself.

u should not forget that when u start to get this deep, a ot of players are gonna start to 3bet the shit out of u in position, cos it' really hard to fight back oop 200 bbs deep.So hero's 3betting range is going to be wider here than in normal circumstances.In this particular spot I d bet fold the flop with no read but if i d have any more information about his ch r tendencies in these spots I could lean towards a bet call.Cbetting also has the merit that we can get villain of a lot of hands by the river, I almost want him to call the flop as that gives u the green light to fire away.U r gonna put villain here i a lot of tough spots here on turn river if the board doesnt fall off really bad for ya.Another considerration is that villain's flatting range here is so much wider oop than it would be under normal circumstances.All of this factors make me keep the lead here.

Make him adjust to us first by forcing him to deal with our aggression. Don't do it the other way around where you adjust your game based on assumptions about his game you pull out of thin air. You'll just end up outleveling yourself.[/quote]


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That's correct, but we should also think about how we play the rest of our range. We would always cbet our air in this spot and we would be barreling scare cards like A/K/Q. However if we start checking back our AK and AQ hands to try and take them to showdown we can no longer credibly rep these scare cards. .

Who says we are always cbeting air in this spot, this is a terrible board to cbet air on.We rep a very narrow range when we cbet this board in a 3bet pot. Vrs this villian cbeting air is worse then cbeting our actual hand.

Basically if we think he is a good hand reader we should be checking back our whole range on this board and if not we should only be cbeting our made hands for value.But almost always we can get away with being exploitable here imo.

Who says we are always cbeting air in this spot, this is a terrible board to cbet air on.We rep a very narrow range when we cbet this board in a 3bet pot. Vrs this villian cbeting air is worse then cbeting our actual hand.

Basically if we think he is a good hand reader we should be checking back our whole range on this board and if not we should only be cbeting our made hands for value.But almost always we can get away with being exploitable here imo.

So much nothing to add ...

Who says we are always cbeting air in this spot, this is a terrible board to cbet air on.We rep a very narrow range when we cbet this board in a 3bet pot. Vrs this villian cbeting air is worse then cbeting our actual hand.

Basically if we think he is a good hand reader we should be checking back our whole range on this board and if not we should only be cbeting our made hands for value.But almost always we can get away with being exploitable here imo.

What do you mean we should be checking back our whole range? Why would you want to check back AA-JJ? I also don't think it's bad to cbet with air as long as you don't do it everytime. I think there are enough suited broadway hands in his range to make cbetting profitable.
Also, you keep saying "vs this guy". I don't understand why you think "this guy" is not the type of player to do this against. He doesn't seem particularly aggro and he plays 9 tables, so I would expect him to play straightforward most of the time.

What do you mean we should be checking back our whole range? Why would you want to check back AA-JJ?

If he reads hands well and we cbet here, we allow him to play perfect against our range. We simply cant make it so easy for him to take pots away from us. I assume he's good (200nl 9 tabling reg) and so we need to protect our range bettor in this spot by checking back on this board.
If we bet our entire range vrs him ,we allow him to make tons of very +ev c/rs and take pots away from us.
I did say that,in general we can be exploitable in this spot by cbeting our good made hands and checking back equity and air, but if we think this dude will exploit that ,its going to be bettor to check back our entire range.

He doesn't seem particularly aggro and he plays 9 tables, so I would expect him to play straightforward most of the time.

Straightfoward to this guy will be check raising cbets a ton on this board.

If he reads hands well and we cbet here, we allow him to play perfect against our range. We simply cant make it so easy for him to take pots away from us. I assume he's good (200nl 9 tabling reg) and so we need to protect our range bettor in this spot by checking back on this board.
If we bet our entire range vrs him ,we allow him to make tons of very +ev c/rs and take pots away from us.
I did say that,in general we can be exploitable in this spot by cbeting our good made hands and checking back equity and air, but if we think this dude will exploit that ,its going to be bettor to check back our entire range.



Straightfoward to this guy will be check raising cbets a ton on this board.

You make no sense to me here. You expect him to checkraise most of his whiffed hands and yet you want to check back your overpairs? AK is similar to JJ in value as well so I would treat them almost the same vs some players.

I would bet this board 100% of the time because 200bb deep I'm going to be 3-betting this guy's balls off and I don't want to give free cards to any overcards. I'm betting my 87, my 67, etc. as well as my AK.

Somebody brought up that if you don't bet your AK you can never rep scarecards on the turn. I agree with that.

Ok your playing against a Good thinking 9 tabling reg, and you want to 3bet the balls off him , cbet 100% on these boards and barrell all turn scare cards..... is this really your plan?

Do you expect him to go along with this plan?