VICOMA1983
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Tackleberry
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VICOMA1983
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What hands you´re getting value from on the flop - this is like the worst flop ever for QQ ...
its not a great flop you are right. I think we can get value from QJ, QT, Ax, diamonds. it is pretty thin I agree, still I think betting is better just because I dont plan on c/f and c/c sucks since it is very obvious.
What wuold be your line?
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Steppin Razor
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simpleasspie
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I agree with your reasoning for betting the flop and the range you assigned for villain to call the flop with, so lets think about his range on this river: he doesnt have a flush, cuz hed bet with it on the turn, he has all of his pair+draw hands and thats it. The hands that beat he could have are Kx - AK,KQ and probably K9s, thought AK should be discounted cuz sometimes they 4bet it and sometimes they bet on the turn. If you check, i dont expect him to bluff, basically cuz he doesnt have air in his range, cuz i dont think somebody would float Ax here, this board hits 3betting range hard its suicidal to do that imo. So if you check you should fold, but you surely can try to extract value, if hes not reading hands well he might call you with worse, if he is he might turn a hand like QJ into a bluff. Id bet like $40 to 50
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Tackleberry
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its not a great flop you are right. I think we can get value from QJ, QT, Ax, diamonds. it is pretty thin I agree, still I think betting is better just because I dont plan on c/f and c/c sucks since it is very obvious.
What wuold be your line?
Had no real idea, was just throwing some doubt out there.
Didn´t consider his low ft3b% as well - so I guess betting is okay. Go with simple as far as vbetting on river is concerned.
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Peesocake
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As played I c/f the river. He's not betting a J or a T, and he doesn't have much air+diamond on the turn. But he would bet a K and JT.
Notice that when we get raised on the flop, we're in pretty bad shape, and we can safely fold, and that when we get called, he will be weak, and we could even barrel him off a K or JT. But in order to do that, we need a psb on the river, and for that, we need to bet less than halfpot on the flop and the turn. This is nice, because we lose less to a flopraise, and we can get worse to call 2 streets, and better hands to fold to the river shove, AND actually make our hand with villain hitting 2pair.
By checking the turn here, you allow his flopcalling range to get to the river, and I don't know if that is good.
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udownwithvpp
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Flop is really gross if we bet and get raised. We need 36.6% equity to get it in on the flop and breakeven if the money goes in on the flop. Also I don't think many worse hands are calling on the flop.
Board: Tc Jd Kd
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.806% 30.57% 05.23% 14225 2435.50 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 64.194% 58.96% 05.23% 27434 2435.50 { KK+, JJ-TT, AQs+, QTs+, AQo+, QTo+ }
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FenderJaguar
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I probably just c/f this flop. this board is obv terrible. the problem is that you're OOP and have future streets to play. so here you bet, get called, and now you can't really call a future bet on like any card. you have to c/f so much that c/f the flop is best since you should expect to have like no fold equity on this board
c/fc/fc/fc/f. and as played c/f river.
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