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Villain was playing 4 tables and this was the 3rd hand at the table, never played with villain before.

UTG: $117.20
Hero (CO): $206.70
BTN: $100.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $101.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with K Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) J 9 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13

River: ($43.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $33, Hero requests TIME,

What do you like on the river? Bet? c/f? c/c? c/r as a bluff?

I prefer bet/folding this river than c/c as I think most villian's calling range is a lot wider than their betting range and also there are very few missed draws by the river.

Dont see the point in c/r the river as we either have the best hand or villian is never folding his hand.

Well, I wasn't really considering the c/r since I hadn't played with villain before. But ofc there is a point with that play, since it's almost impossible for villain to have a bet/snap hand on the river.

But ofc there is a point with that play, since it's almost impossible for villain to have a bet/snap hand on the river.

Don´t get the point. Why does c/r makes sense then? Do you think he folds a better hand?

By the way, is it a clever idea to c-bet this flop oop?

Don´t get the point. Why does c/r makes sense then? Do you think he folds a better hand?

If villains betting range is capped at flushes at best, then it could be possible to make villain bet/fold close his whole range. But again, it wasn't really an option here with the lack of history/info.

By the way, is it a clever idea to c-bet this flop oop?

I don't think it's a huge deal either way, c/f might be better but with it being the first pot ever between me and villain, I don't mind it too much.

Don´t get the point. Why does c/r makes sense then? Do you think he folds a better hand?

By the way, is it a clever idea to c-bet this flop oop?

I would assume leading with a gutshot and 2 overs > than check calling, no? assuming villian bets when checked to. Or is this the type of situation thats best to check and evaluate, given that you dont want to be raised off the flop?

I also prefer b/folding the river...On the turn you get value from all his pair + gutters, pair + draws, fds. On the river you could be bluffing and get looked up by a number of hands that called the turn.

If you check the river you are turning your hand into a bluff catcher in a spot where he might not have a lot of bluffs because he will probably check all his hands with showdown value...

When he calls he has a very wide range PF. We obviously have a wide range also, therefore I think we are fine to cbet here, and on most turns we can lead out for 12$ or so.

Given this river, I think we our hand is too strong to turn intoa bluff, as they wont fold to a shove with a flush here. I think c/c is best here as our hand is obviously not strong enough to face a river shove, and he is going to foldto a lot of rivers with T9, 87 hands when we bet

I think c/c is best here as our hand is obviously not strong enough to face a river shove, and he is going to foldto a lot of rivers with T9, 87 hands when we bet

Sure but he isnt going to bet himself with T9 or 87 either. He is more than likely to check back Jx too and he might even check back Qx here or decide to bet small with it which would be a disaster for us.

If we bet we will almost always get calls from Jx, Qx and maybe even some other stuff that is suspicious of us which is going to make us more money in the long run than c/c here when his range for betting this river when checked to is so strong.

I think your right. You feel the combinations of Qx/Jx outweigh the flushs?

Although he might not even raise all flushes which is even more reason to bet/fold

For the betting crew, what sizing do you like on the river?

I would make it ~ $30 or so, around what villian bet is fine I think.

Without a read I wouldn't expect us to be good often enough when we c/c because I would assume his bluffing range to be slim to none, and he probably has one combo of worse hands that he's betting for value.

If there isn't enough value in a bet (his river bluffcatching range is too small) then I think this is a spot to c/f. It seems weird cos our absolute hand strength is good, but we will be doing so knowing that most of the time he will check behind and we will win, and that when he bets we are pretty much crushed.

I don't like betting the river at all. You're essentially bluffing and trying to make a very big hand fold.

C/F or c/c. A case can be made for either.