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baby picture avatars. 'nuff said.

i dont wanna fight over this, i know what you mean and i agree.
i just wanna say that what you are describing is what i was saying.
stereotypes are judgemental imo, bec people define themselves with em and they are stubborn, because they reduce individualism to quantify. and in the matter of poker i think those generalizations are really harming your game. this especially is true if you forget about what makes you superior to the stereotype in question and rest in the position you defined by stereotyping him.. which is the reason i posted this.

There is no danger in stereotyping a player so long as you understand how substantial the evidence underlying it is.

This is the same as our understanding of sample size when discussing stats from a HUD. Our stereotypes are useful in that they are the generalization of what we know so far. Their usefulness decreases when we become attached to them and fail to incorporate new evidence into our understanding of villain/game/whatever.

i dont wanna fight over this, i know what you mean and i agree.
i just wanna say that what you are describing is what i was saying.
stereotypes are judgemental imo, bec people define themselves with em and they are stubborn, because they reduce individualism to quantify. and in the matter of poker i think those generalizations are really harming your game. this especially is true if you forget about what makes you superior to the stereotype in question and rest in the position you defined by stereotyping him.. which is the reason i posted this.

Agree with all of this.

The thread has turned into a pretty interesting discussion.

Now that I've gotten over the blow to the ego, I can admit that I'm a big fan of Bart's podcast. Perhaps that's why the comments he made in the podcast stung so much. I have learned a ton from the podcast, and it has obviously resulted in money in my pocket, so I cant be TOO mad.

I think the issue of stereotypes or profiling someone based on a single hand has been pretty well addressed. I'll just add that as much as I'm complaining about the label Bart assigned to me, I admit that I did the same thing to him when I sat down--granted, I had much more evidence (his podcasts) to know he was aggressive and capable of representing a strong hand on a wet flop like the one that came when I had kings. I can lay down kings to a lot of players in that spot, but because I felt my stack (at 100bbs) was too small to call and evaluate the action on the turn, I felt that it was shove or fold and folding to a player who not only isnt aware of the strength of my hand but is also capable of making a semi-bluff on a board like that, I felt getting it in was better than folding. At 150bbs I'd probably call and fold on most turns if he came out betting.

In the QT hand, I honestly felt like my cards didn't matter. We all have an idea of what we are capable of post flop, and since I felt he was light, I thought he'd check fold to most flops he didn't nail. I checked the flop because I was still under the impression that he was light and that he'd fold to any bet I made (I felt his range was heavily weighted toward small pairs and suited connectors)--plus there was probably a little steam involved after having my kings cracked by 45 (I'm working on keeping my tilt in check).

I dont think checking is that bad on that flop. My stack was small enough that any bet he makes on the turn--short of a complete bluff--most likely commits him to the pot. Obviously I'm betting if he checks, and if he has a small pair or small suited connectors then I get no more money anyway.

For the record, against good players, and especially really good, thinking players like Bart, I'm more likely to bet when I flop a strong hand.

Note to self: x/r and barrel turns when deep vs JasonTornado.

Note to self: x/r and barrel turns when deep vs JasonTornado.

Note to self: bet/call and shove over turn barrel when deep vs TecmoSuperBowl

Bah!

% chance that OP is an epic troll?

This thread is so awesome

JasonTornado and TravD should go bowling together

Jason, I would have kept quiet myself, and used my fishy image to lay some srious pwnage on Bartman later.

I think one of the most profitable images in poker is when a good reg thinks you are a fish. You can really exploit them, knowing they will be playing very ABC vs you.

Bart- I dont play live NL but i subscribe and very much enjoy your podcasts, keep up the good work. I think you articulated yourself very well in this thread fwiw

% chance that OP is an epic troll?

48% chance.

67% chance I've never even played live poker.

Jason, I would have kept quiet myself, and used my fishy image to lay some srious pwnage on Bartman later.

I think one of the most profitable images in poker is when a good reg thinks you are a fish. You can really exploit them, knowing they will be playing very ABC vs you.

Bart- I dont play live NL but i subscribe and very much enjoy your podcasts, keep up the good work. I think you articulated yourself very well in this thread fwiw

Thanks. You're absolutely right.

48% chance.

67% chance I've never even played live poker.

I'd say 99.99999% chance to both