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Seems like a lot of people didn't read the original post. I had posed a question about pricing--Would be people be more/less likely to subscribe if the podcast was $6.00, $7.95 or $9.95 per month? Everyone then just assumed that the price was going to be $9.95. I am still looking for some feedback here.

And yes, if you are not a multi-month subscriber to Deuces you will have to pay the subscription for the show. I don't see how this is any different than me going off on my own and starting a new website, which was the original plan. In that scenario multi-month subscribers would not get the show for free. Are there people on here that were going to subscribe to the new podcast there but are now not going to subscribe because it has stayed on Deuces Cracked?

Are there people on here that were going to subscribe to the new podcast there but are now not going to subscribe because it has stayed on Deuces Cracked?

I don´t think it makes any difference. It´s the price tag which is simply too high - imho.

If I have two training sites, one called "DeucesCracked" with tons of videos for almost any possible game / stake / situation, podcasts, and blog stuff - for $29/month, and another with a single weekly podcast of 45-60 minutes, it becomes very difficult to come up with a fair price for both sides for the latter one - fair for the producer AND the listeners.

So, as long as the "podcast training site" hasn´t to offer more than the podcast itself - I´d not be willing to pay more than say $2.50 / month. That shouldn´t sound ironic - that was why I said "fair for the producer". It´s clear that there´s ton of work behind the scenes - but either DC is underpriced or anything above the mentioned price for a podcast is overpriced in my eyes. Just my 2 cents - and not intended as an offense at all. I have nothing but respect for your work.

Bart, I may be in the minority here, but I would be one of the people who would likely (90%) subscribe for $6 or less/month but would likely not (20%) for $9.95/month. I love your podcasts, have listened to all of them and they have helped me tremendously. However, for 4 shows a month, 10 is a little steep and I think 6 is more like it, especially when probably 1 of those 4 will be more interview oriented than content oriented, unless you plan to change that now that you are charging.

I'm a podcast junkie and I guess at the end of the day 6 or 10 isn't a big difference I mean that's one less latte over the course of a month. But when compared to all the free podcasts out there 2.50 is over the top expensive- I'm kind of making fun of myself and others with that comment when for 2.50 you get a good hour + of great info and entertainment I guess we shouldn't feel like 2.50 is that much for a podcast.

The flip side of that is that if 1000 people download it that is 10 grand a month- 120K per year. I'm not big on class warfare but isn't 120K a year kind of a lot of money for a weekly podcast? There are doctors that don't make that much.

Pretending for a second that audio content and video content are equal in value to any potential poker learner, I think a reasonable price point for your podcast would be somewhere in the $4/month range. I base this on the fact that most poker sites tend to charge somewhere in the $30/month range for typically 8+ hours of paid, subscriber content (which I think tends to average out to be around 30+ hours per month of content).

That said though, I think the people who are willing to pay for your podcast are more likely going to be the type who want it for poker entertainment as well as valuable strategy information. There are plenty of people who can beat 5/10, but few of them have nearly as much broadcasting experience as you. I think that this pokertainment crowd should be your main market, and as a result I think that you can probably get away with charging $9 per month without anyone really thinking about the EV of their spending decision.

so even if we are paying for a DC subscription, we have to pay an additional $10 for podcast?

If you have a multi-month subscription (6 month, 1year) to DeucesCracked, you will get Barts podcast for free.

This line of reasoning is so LOL to me. 90% of the DC 'archive' is basically useless in the current poker environment, both for live and online players.

The library has plenty of material that is relavant now and will be for some time to come. For example, Unconventional Wisdom EP4, which was produced nearly four years ago, was bumped this week.

Bart has been pounding out relevant, topical content for years FOR FREE, and now it is time for the man to get paid.

DeucesCracked offered the podcast for free but Bart was compensated for his work, deservedly so.

When they cut him back to 2 eps a month, I was the first to freak out, and I am glad DC management came to their senses.

We cut back due to obvious reasons post Black Friday and still offered the two per month of Deuce Plays for free. Bart then decided to create the paid-format on his own but to note, he had been thinking of this for some time well before BF. DC then came to the current agreement of multi-month subscriptions offer for the podcasts.

Im still on the fence... I suppose I dont play enough live poker to make this +EV.. But I really enjoy the podcast - even from an entertainment standpoint.

I think all hey ball listeners should get this for free... It brings balance to the DC... hehe

I think it'd be a really good idea to offer a "pay per episode" option as well, at least in the beginning (pricing each ep at like "month sub/4+20%" kind of thing). Lets people get their feet wet without having to fully commit, obviously I get that a monthly sub isn't "locking you in" or anything but as you can see people think it's a pretty big deal.

Seems like a lot of people didn't read the original post. I had posed a question about pricing--Would be people be more/less likely to subscribe if the podcast was $6.00, $7.95 or $9.95 per month?

Isn't the answer to that question obvious? I'm pretty sure most people are more likely the lower the price (unless they are definitely in or out at any price).

I guess I'll give you a question though. I don't play live enough to justify spending anything on this tbh. So my likelihood of subscribing is equal at any of the prices. I know you have some non-live content, but it's not enough to justify spending much at all I don't think.

Don't take that the wrong way, I've loved the podcasts in the past and even listened before you were on DC. Being a part time guy I often don't get my $30 worth here due to being too busy. Adding $10 isn't going to help.

Even if I was a full time player I'd think the price is pretty high. Being one of the only live focused resources you can probably charge a little bit of a premium, but even at $6 you are 1/5 of an entire coaching site price and I doubt there is 1/5 of the value tbh.

I don't think the podcast is really all that specific to live poker- I mean Bart is obviously a live player but the differences seem pretty straightforward between live and online and once you get those the opportunity to listen to a pro talk about poker for an hour is pretty cool, and no doubt useful.

in answer to bart $6 or $9 meh i doubt it changes people decisions that much.

i do like the idea of being able to buy individual shows on itune for .99 and i am sure i would buy from time to time if you had certain guest on your show

good luck with your new venture

hey mate, i would like to pay 6, but will prob pay 9.

but why not just add some ads????

i will listen to advertisements and pay $2.99!!!!!!!

sweet outcome for all???

I signed up for Deuces 5 days ago, mainly because of the Deuceplays Podcast and their quality. I was still in my free trial, but now that I heard this announcement, I have immediately changed so that I get charged per 6 months...

Bart, keep up the good work!

I think the distinction between a multi month membership and a monthly one is bollocks and demeaning.
What about people that have been members for a long time, but pay monthly?
For instance, person 1 member for more than a year, person 2, been on 4 months, but with a multi month membership.
Person one continues his subscription month after month, person 2 buggers off after 6 months.
In my eyes, that's not fair.
Discrimination I would even say.
Person 2 got way more out of it for the same price, while person one, should have canceled IMO.
And no, I don't have any interest in the podcasts,never had.
Yes, I'm a single month paying member who has been here for a while.
DC has, in the last 6 or so months, not been the only training site that I'm a paid member on anymore.
And yes, I'm one of those people who has seriously been considering canceling my subscription post BF too, so things like that do push me away too.
Began listening to a few over the months, never thought they were applicable to me or even that interesting for me, just a nice thing around that made DC interesting to be on and keep paying.
The same with watching an old series that probably has little real value when you already have new ones around.
For instance, "Vandweller" and his "Real life micro SNG grinder", although the basic series was great in its time, now it has completely been superseded by others, more up to date, some even here on DC, making the series more of entertainment value than anything else.
You don't need it at all, but there are little things like this on DC that keep you forking out money.
Though post BF the climate here has changed in my view, this being also one of those things that makes it less likely to stay.
Now there are in my opinion more of those "high entertainment value, low real life poker value" series. One can only hope this changes soon.
Not to say that DC is the only training site that has the same happening.
Fact of the matter is that with the Americans gone from the normal "grinder scene" and most of them not moving to Canada or anywhere else in the world, the outlook is bleak to say the least.
What's next? Oh, we made a nice powerpoint slide show of something in a video, but you have to be a multi-month subscriber otherwise it's another 2,5$.
Low quality downloadable an extra 2,5$ per season?
Multi-month subscribers get everything in color?
"We signed "name of coach" in the past, but he has his own website and was going to do something funky on there like post his new video's there first and then only later put them on DC. He does get paid for it by your subscriptions, and no, we do not only pay him in a percentage of the multi month subscribers, it's a fixed sum that comes from all, but now if you're not a 5 year recurring subscriber you have to pay "x" amount extra to watch it." How fair does that sound?
Is this a precedent of things to come?
Per coach differences?
Half awake rambling done. No offense meant to any fainthearted ones out there.