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This Week: Bart reviews some hands he has played recently in live cash games and focuses on his play against complete unknowns and those he deemed "incompetent".

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Just a little feedback:
I found the slower pace of the HH and the repeated reminders of board textures a big improvement, it's much easier to follow the HH in this podcast.

Hello,

I had a question on one of the hands you played in that crazy 10/20 game against that crazy guy when he raised UTG to $170 and you decided to flat call with AK offsuit in the BB. You checked and he bet $350. You made it $1000 total and he re-raised to $2900.

You shoved and he called with 4 5 diamonds and you ended up winning the hand once the rest of the cards were dealt out.

The board came out A 9 3 with two diamonds.

My question is which cards were the two diamonds on the flop? If it was A 9 3 with the A and 3 of diamonds, would you have played the hand differently had it been A 9 3 with the 9 and 3 of diamonds instead?

You said how the way the guy was playing, by calling with AK offsuit in the BB and flopping an ace with a board like this it is essentially equivalent of flopping a set and that if he had A9 or A3, unfortunately you were just going to go broke in the hand.

If the A was not a diamond on the flop, he could very well have hands such as Ax diamonds which brings in a ton of hand combos that would put in that reraise to 2900. Did you take those types of hands into consideration as well when you played that hand? And how would you play the hand differently in both situations (with the A diamond on the flop, and without)? Thanks!

Bart,

In regards to your hand you really really really think he had the set of 77s hey?

I dont know this villian, but I mean it also sounds like he could have had a7 and really wants to protect it and charge you for your AK xx incompt player. I think if he had the nuts 77 he would have atleast thought a few more seconds about how to extract value. When you huge hand and not vulnerable you usually take a few more seconds to think of how to extract. I was not there, but If he had a7 and he repops it almost sounds like he is trying to say if you have an ace with a kicker you going pay to see the river and if you have a flush draw you will have to pay to see the river. I mean your play seems like a semi bluff steal and what he knows about you is that you make alot of plays so with that thinking you dont think based on your image to him he would do that with A7? I mean I think he thinks you had the flush draw level one or 2 thinker incompt and he was like trying to protect a very vulnerable 2 pair type hand. Set of 77s is possible, but because the board is one to protect and your image and what he things you think an what you may acutally have. I think he thinks that you ahve flush draw and I think he is just sending you message that. With that drawy of a board and what he thinks of your image you realy dont think stacking off is best here? I mean it is so rare set over set. It makes sense to do this with that hand or NUt heart K with ace in hand. YOu may be right, but I mean this guy would be able to put you on flush draw and repop you with 2 pair too.

DoughBoy,

Against this particular maniac the flush cards are pretty irrelevant. I saw him put his whole stack in on a board like this with A6os earlier in the session. It's interesting though, if we were up against a more competent player I'd actually prefer the ace to not be the diamond. Our hand has more equity that way than if he had a non ace pair and a flush draw.

Sickcards,

99% of the time check raises coming from OOP, in this 5-10 game, represent value raises, not semi-bluffs. I am one of the few players that will craise a flop with a 9 out + type of hand but this guy doesn't realize that. What's going through his head is "this guy craised me, he's got a big hand".

The biggest reason why I decided to fold the hand had to do with his flatting of the initial bettor. If he had raised the UTG guy, I'm 3 betting there all day and expecting to get value from AK and two pair. Even though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, on drawy boards, it is uncommon to see players flat two pair. I'd expect this guy to bump the flop 80% of the time or more with A7. Coupled with the fact that he took almost no time to backraise me me, this became a fold.

I also disagree with your assessment that he would have thought longer with a set of 7s in order to extract more value. His quick action really lead me to believe that he had the nuts. Usually, in this game, time taken to make decisions has to do with players being on draws or players holding very good but non nut type hands in the face of heavy action.

Unknowns and incompetents? I could have been the guest.

Sickcards,

99% of the time check raises coming from OOP, in this 5-10 game, represent value raises, not semi-bluffs. I am one of the few players that will craise a flop with a 9 out + type of hand but this guy doesn't realize that. What's going through his head is "this guy craised me, he's got a big hand".

The biggest reason why I decided to fold the hand had to do with his flatting of the initial bettor. If he had raised the UTG guy, I'm 3 betting there all day and expecting to get value from AK and two pair. Even though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, on drawy boards, it is uncommon to see players flat two pair. I'd expect this guy to bump the flop 80% of the time or more with A7. Coupled with the fact that he took almost no time to backraise me me, this became a fold.

I also disagree with your assessment that he would have thought longer with a set of 7s in order to extract more value. His quick action really lead me to believe that he had the nuts. Usually, in this game, time taken to make decisions has to do with players being on draws or players holding very good but non nut type hands in the face of heavy action.

Hi Bart,

thanks for your response and breakdown of your thinking vs his thinking totally makes sense!

Keep up the great work!