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Does anyone else find this thread started by VUcats interesting?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22/small-stakes-shorthanded/creative-again-457836/

I'm not a big 2+2 fan either. Is there something in particular that makes this thread stand out? I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe I don't understand what makes the hand noteworthy because the limit is so much higher than what I play? Please elaborate!

Does anyone else find this thread started by VUcats interesting?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22/small-stakes-shorthanded/creative-again-457836/

Yes. Very interesting, and like Isac said, Oink really pwns there, but I love VUcats post about balancing also.

NO NO NO FUCK YOU THAT WAS MY SUCKOUT POT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT BACK AGAIN

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (12 SB) 4 3 J (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (12 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets all in, Hero raises, SB folds

My turn raise is spew but if you knew the SB you'd understand

River: (14 BB) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: 14 BB
BB shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
Hero shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
BB wins 13.5 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

I don't actually play 1/2... just messing around with whats left of my FTP roll... this is the biggest $$ pot I've ever seen in my career and I thought it was mine T_T

My turn raise is spew but if you knew the SB you'd understand

Is it? Then I'm a spewer

Anyway, you moved all you role to PS now?

Well I have about $100 on PS now and $120 on FTP ^.^
So I pretty much have no roll but I tend to mess around with the FTP one more and take the Stars one more seriously.

Although by 'seriously' I mean playing .50/1 6max on 100BB... which will make you sick to your stomach and cry a lot, especially if you're risk averse like me ^.^ It was ok while I was 'crushing', but now...

Not much choice tho, I couldn't handle the fast tables and insane disregard for logic at .25/.50 on Stars.... I mean it's great to have fish but the fast tables tend to breed "I cap 3 streets with pears" style fish and I just can't deal with the speed/variance.

The .50/1 plays a little slower, has normal speed tables, and while still very fishy, has some semblance of reason, and more of a "loose passive" breed of fish that I quite like, as well as some 16 tabling nits to put on my left.

Well I have about $100 on PS now and $120 on FTP ^.^
So I pretty much have no roll but I tend to mess around with the FTP one more and take the Stars one more seriously.

Although by 'seriously' I mean playing .50/1 6max on 100BB... which will make you sick to your stomach and cry a lot, especially if you're risk averse like me ^.^ It was ok while I was 'crushing', but now...

Not much choice tho, I couldn't handle the fast tables and insane disregard for logic at .25/.50 on Stars.... I mean it's great to have fish but the fast tables tend to breed "I cap 3 streets with pears" style fish and I just can't deal with the speed/variance.

The .50/1 plays a little slower, has normal speed tables, and while still very fishy, has some semblance of reason, and more of a "loose passive" breed of fish that I quite like, as well as some 16 tabling nits to put on my left.

Playing limit games with 100BB is just plain wrong. The best limit payers in the world have 100BB downswings all the time. I think you should keep studying hard and move down to 10c/20c. There is no shame in that whatsoever. Don't think that because you have a series you have to be playing at the 'proper limits.' Don't think that you're letting anyone down, you're not. Maybe you could also get Pygmy to do a live sweat session with you.

Playing limit games with 100BB is just plain wrong. The best limit payers in the world have 100BB downswings all the time. I think you should keep studying hard and move down to 10c/20c. There is no shame in that whatsoever. Don't think that because you have a series you have to be playing at the 'proper limits.' Don't think that you're letting anyone down, you're not. Maybe you could also get Pygmy to do a live sweat session with you.

Well theoretically I totally agree with this. 100BB is not much, I have 50BB swing everyday, + or - doesn't matter. I just lost 30BB in 40 hands, sitting at a shorthanded, FR table. But I just ran bad, no cards and when I had I was up against better. It happens all the time.

But it's still everyones own choice and due to the pressure Adri is under I fully understand her. And because it's on 2 sites it's still not 100BB's but a $220 BR.

However, I wound't do this myself.

Adri how about plaing some 6m or HUHU LHE SnG's. I've been digging a little into this when I have found no good games on Everest and it seems to be nice profitable

Well on the note of going above your head, welcome to the 3rd ever hand in the only session I played at 2/4

Crypto-RakeU Poker $2.00/$4.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with K T
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (8 SB) 8 J A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls

Turn: (7 BB) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls

River: (9 BB) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps!, Hero calls

Final Pot: 17 BB
Hero shows K T
UTG shows 7 A
UTG wins 16.25 BB (Btw that's about $65)
(Rake: $3.00.....YOU ROBBING...I only just noticed this!!!)

Notice the humoungous spew on my behalf, alright the guy sucked but that's too much.

Note to self: Do not play Isac again at HUHU SNG!

Note to self: Do not play Isac again at HUHU SNG!

Note to sefl: Do not play Aumorgan at HUHU SNG, we just end flipping.

Seriously though I think we had an interesting game with some dirty/spewy/super-bluff moves along with massive fold before SD and still thin valuebets/raises. It really makes no sence at all but we ended at 28% wtsd...

What....

Just found a very good 2/4 table - all know players. I cound't resist taking the seat.

Some standard hands, describing what happens when taking shots/moving up



Limit Holdem $2(BB) Replayer

Dealt to Hero JQ

fold, fold, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1, check,

LIMPS

FLOP ($8) 49Q

Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, CO folds, BTN folds,
Hero raises to $6, BB calls $2,

You are a tight tag, you are not supposed to have a better hand here

TURN ($20) 49Q5

Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $4,

Wait, you got a set... damnit. I know your are aggro with FD's - but that 5, it just doesn't help you. Or maybe it does... I just can't fold - and you know that, or do you? 36:8 for a CD, but I can improve and I could have the best hand - damnit lets show it.
RIVER ($36) 49Q54

check, BB bets $4, Hero calls $4,

Hero shows JQ
(Flop 81.3%, Turn 13.6%)

BB shows Q5
(Flop 18.7%, Turn 86.4%)

BB wins $42


Limit Holdem $2(BB) Replayer

Dealt to Hero QK

Hero raises to $4, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $2,

FLOP ($9) 965

check, Hero bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2,

TURN ($13) 9655

check, Hero bets $4, UTG+1 raises to $8, Hero calls $4,

that 5 again, bloody 5, nah it didn't help you, maybe you slowplayed, can I have a raise here, your tilted - but you don't fold that much.
RIVER ($29) 9655Q

UTG+1 bets $4, Hero calls $4,

I wanna RAISE you but I hate red 5's

UTG+1 shows 53
(Flop 47.6%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero shows QK
(Flop 52.4%, Turn 15.9%)

UTG+1 wins $35.25

EXPERT

And he wasn't even all that passive.

Limit Holdem $2(BB) Replayer

Dealt to Hero AQ

UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $4 , fold, fold, fold, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2,

FLOP ($13) 4JJ

check, check, Hero bets $2 , BB calls $2, UTG folds,

TURN ($17) 4JJ6

check, Hero bets $4 , BB calls $4,

RIVER ($25) 4JJ66

check, check,

Hero shows AQ
(Flop 2.2%, Turn 0.0%)

BB shows 9J
(Flop 97.8%, Turn 100.0%)

BB wins $23.75

Why didn't you buy in BIG...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
Limit Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($146)
Hero ($175)
CO ($18.77)
BTN ($251)

Dealt to Hero T7

fold, Hero raises to $4, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $2,

FLOP ($12) 69J

check, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2,

TURN ($16) 69J8

check, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $8, CO raises to $10.77 (AI), Hero calls $2.77,

RIVER ($37.54) 69J8A

Hero shows T7
(Flop 21.5%, Turn 79.5%)

CO shows 6A
(Flop 78.5%, Turn 20.5%)

Hero wins $36.54

On the really good side I only lost 1BB and was 40/45 at SD. Also I felt I played pretty good for my standards - please feel free to disagree - so def. a good decision to sit down at a good table though I ain't totally rolled for it yet.

Will I do it again.... sshh...ssh

Hola, all. I have been AFK for about a week now, having been traveling back to the States. My parents drove their RV down from Minnesota to pick us up in Florida and took us (my wife, 5yo son, and I) to Disney World! Good times. I haven't been there since I was a kid. The neighboring campground is amazing, complete with pool & waterslide.

Anyways. The time away from poker was needed as I was starting to feel stagnant having reached the end of my stay in Mexico. As we take a few days to camp in Georgia on our trip home, tonight was my first session in a while and I loved it, feeling refreshed and ready to go.

I play on Cake and FTP right now and wanted to shoot out a generic question to the group. Some of you play on Euro sites, etc, and I'm curious of your ultimate goals in as far as sites? Do you plan to move up to 5/10 (or some other level) on a particular site? Why one site over another?

Bonus whoring is another consideration, considering I see some sites offering 100%+ bonus to $500+. I have considered jumping around to build my roll, but I'm doing pretty well grinding with rakeback. I've yet to take a shot at 2/4, which is my next progression, but am thinking I may want to build more first.
For instance, Cake is a whole other animal than Full Tilt, incompatible with HUDs, funky software, higher rake but more rakeback, and spewy/bad player pool a lot of the time. I want to consolidate my monies to move up but am unsure as to where.

My goal in posting here is to help me sort out my thoughts and hear yours as well. I need to do some indepth analysis of rake considerations, but like to take a more player-oriented approach, if you will.

Just shooting a line and saying hi. Please post your thoughts for all to enjoy.

ciao

I think you can build your roll bonus whoring and so I tried but I dont put in enough hands and most bonuses clear difficult below 1/2 (which I do not play). But that's me, normal and motivated people can earn some good monies clearing bonuses.

There are a lot of bonuses out there, for instance you can open up an account on every iPoker skin without a problem. Titan poker, CD Poker and Chilli poker to name some all have a bonus of a couple of hundred $$. The games are tighter than on FTP and Stars and there are more people there for the bonus = more regs. But Isac and Boomer can fill you in on that.

The iPoker skins don't allow you to have rakeback and therefore it would be wise imo to open up an account via boogster.com or pokersource.com for extra cash or books or other gifts (*cough* one year of stoxpoker *cough*).

For all bonuses, reviews, clearing rates, etc I always go to bonuswhores.com.

Think that about covers it.

Bonus' are super. And I've been whoring in the past - before I really cared about rake.

If your only up for bonus whoring I think multitabling FR LHE is the place you wanna be. It can be damn profitable, made ~~$10 an hour on Ipoker playing 6-9 tables. However when I sat down in 6max games I wasn't getting near as much because of game-flow difference. And would have had to play around the same number of tables to get those $10.

But then comes the rake, at 6m on Ipoker the rake is a killer, and as most bonus' are payed out in regard to how much you rake it's an important note and without a super good deal it's tough just to beat the rake at 6m .5/1 and 1/2 (Boomer and I know all bout it).

Paying 4.5-5BB/100 in rake is no fun, and it's a question is it's worth it with a 30% RB deal. Which would make your effective rake around 3.15-3.57BB/100. But your winrate will be significant lower aswell.

While a lower rake and lower CashBack like mine on Everest or Party being 3.2-3.8BB/100 equals around 2.8-3,2BB/100 depending on the VIP level. And with a winrate that will be higher I know what I'm choosing from now on.

As a question to where I wanna move up, it isn't easy and very hard to answer.

I'm looking to take shots on 2/4 from next month (just finishing an exam paper atm) that will be on Everest for sure when there are good games running, if not I got no problem sitting in 1/2 or .5/1 games. But when I build my BR a little more I'm looking to get back to PartyPoker aswell as I will have something on the Ipoker network. I believe in table+seat selection.
Sure it's not the best in terms of CB and VIP status, but I still prefer a higher winrate >>> bonus $$.
And if there's no 6m games going I'll be fine with grinding some FR games or HUHU LHE SnG's. At some point I'm looking to jumb into some HUHU games aswell but that won't be till I'm a winner on 2/4.

Hope it helps a little - and wasn't just rambling here in the morning hour.

I will need to crunch some numbers on Cake specifically, but mentioning a .5-.75BB/100 difference between sites considering RB isn't THAT much. I mean, soft/spewy/weak/bad opposition more than makes up for this, imo, don't you think? For instance, bad players on Cake are spewing way more than this.

Speirs, you mention that tables on iPoker are tighter than FTP/Stars? From the videos I see y'all put out, that doesn't seem to be the case. From my experience and from AR's experience, it seems that FTP is the tightest/toughest out there at the lower levels. However, I don't know if that translates to 2/4+.

Does iPoker allow US players?

Future considerations for me involve ease of withdrawl, but that seems moot at this point. I see bonus offers out there on DC rakeback like 100% to $1000, or 110% to 600. These don't include the 25%-35% RB. That's freakin' huge.

The real question is player pool and ultimate bonuses, I guess. Cake, for instance, does not have many games going, and even less at the higher levels. But judging from the first season of 5's a Crowd, it seems those games are soft too.

I'm not a big multitabler (2-3 is usually my max) and fully believe that the money (big edge) is made in LHE by table/seat selection. I'm getting very good at knowing how/why a specific table setup and villains are profitable. [I even have some profitably practiced theories on open-limping a ton of hands on certain low limit tables, but I won't taint myself with that here. ]

ciao