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Did you watch it?

Yes, twice. Sorry if my comment was a bit short. I watched it at work where I can't post comments here, so I commented when I got home and was a bit tired.

I can see the purpose now, so I shouldn't be concerned about if it is +EV at the moment because it will help my game in the future. It is not just about using the board texture to find good spots, but also finding certain reads on individual opponents because perceived hand strength depends on how they are thinking/playing. I guess in the book that is the "level" portion.

I still haven't given it a try, but I will in my next session. Watching you do it, makes it look sooo easy. We'll see how it goes for me

Great video for reading hands & opponents.

I'm going to have to watch this one more than once.

It should definitely be in the video section on DC.

Thanks for posting it.

Good video, great for hand reading purposes. Thanks for doing it.

Here are my answers to questions. Am I right in thinking in that these adjustments are very few hands in difference? Feel free to agree or rip me apart.

4. We are oop vs 3 better- I would tighten up my raising range quite a bit and probably fold most maginal hands 22-77, suited cards below qjs and most better broadway offsuits except maybe aj0 and aqo. Could we limp/call as alternative? It keeps the pots smaller and lets us have relative position on the raiser and likely closing the action? We can also leave the table if this becomes a problem. 3betting light is an option for maybe hands like 88-jj, aqo+, ajs+ and ak. I would probably 4bet qq most of the time and slowplay kk and aa and then take pots away from him post flop.

We are in position I'm still tightening my range but there are more hands with which I am comfortable calling ie a wider range of hands that I had raised. Most suited broadway hands, pocket prs99+, off suit broadways (KJ, KQ). Since he is raising alot of prs and axs and whatever type hands our hands can play well postflop. Little pockets where we are likely facing 2 or more overcards would lose strength as we are behind with 2 outs too often on flop.

In regards to check raising I would probably bet less hands for pot control ie the bottom of my range that didn't hit the flop, but I could bet more top prgk hands that can take the heat of a raise, but I would bet a smaller bet size to blend my lesser hands more with my strong holdings and to pot control.

He probably wants to just take down the flop when we cbet and miss so when we miss and by checking we can keep him from knowing what we have as often. If we also check back some monsters on the flop and raise a potential turn lead then we can keep him from playing back so much. Can we 3bet bluff more flops too? @nd pr type hands.

5. On the flop I think we simply bet more marginal hands for value. 2nd pr types etc that can't take the heat of a raise but we still want to protect, but can also get value from. These hands that we would check back vs an aggressive player.

I think we also really tighten our range pf if he is raising us pf as he is mostly doing it for value with a good hand. But I would be widening my range of opening hands as we will know when he has a good hand so likely will only run us out of pots when he does have better hands. With my monsters I would raise him back more pf as he is convinced he has a good hand and might overvalue his good hand because he only raises for value.

6. I'd defintiely 4 bet bluff the 13% raiser more. Even though he shoves with a wider range there are 64 combos in his range of hands that he will shove with vs the 9% 3better that shoves only 48 combos. tht ratio is 1.33, but the ratio of hands that the !3% 3bettor 3bets with is 13 vs 9% which is a ratio of 1.44. So .11 of the time our 4bet bluff will be more effective.

7. Weak players become weaker under pressure. That's why they are weak, but when they make a stand they usually have the goods. Weak players can be run over and run over and they will seldom proceed very far without a very very good hand. They also vbet less and less often because they don't want to have to fold again.

8. Aggressive players become tighter as well, but in a different way. They will become quieter for awhile, but tend to become frustrated. They are more apt to make a stand earlier and with more marginal holdings earlier in pots. They might also go into call down mode where they are not folding but trying to showdown a hand that has some strength but will call multiple vbets. Play sheriff is the term no?

What do you other guys think about the answers?

Great video for reading hands & opponents.

I'm going to have to watch this one more than once.

It should definitely be in the video section on DC.

Thanks for posting it.

Good video, great for hand reading purposes. Thanks for doing it.

I'm glad that you like it

Let me know if there are other things you would like to see...

Nice video and very informative. Since I was in the video, do I get a shot at joining the group ????

What do you other guys think about the answers?

That makes me feel very nervous.

Let's try to get a new forum section added specifically for all topics related to Improva's book.
Voice your support here.

That makes me feel very nervous.

He is just trying to make us work together, which imo, is better than him providing the feedback to only you. I will reply when I have caught up with you... just been working too much this week.

Please wait for me　＞＜

He is just trying to make us work together, which imo, is better than him providing the feedback to only you. I will reply when I have caught up with you... just been working too much this week.

Please wait for me　＞＜

No that's cool. I want everyone's feedback anyway. If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day etc. I'd rather work this out amongst us. I am just nervous cuz I might be way off.

Hi guys - bought the book a couple of days ago and very very happy with it. Have skimmed it once and am now working through the questions and exercises in detail.

No that's cool. I want everyone's feedback anyway. If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day etc. I'd rather work this out amongst us. I am just nervous cuz I might be way off.

Don't worry your not way off CJ! - some pretty good answers and I will post my views too ASAP.

Can I suggest we not move on to later questions until we have all discussed these 5?

What do you other guys think about the answers?

Q6. Isnt it better to 4bet bluff the 9% 3bettor? His shoving range is 3%, so he has a 2:1 air:nut ratio.

The 13% 3bettor has a shoving range of 4.7%, so his air: nut ratio is less than 2:1, something like 1.76:1

Since the 9% bettor have more air in his range, we should b more inclined to 4bet bluff him?

Just having a go, tell me if i m wrong please

4. We are oop vs 3 better- I would tighten up my raising range quite a bit and probably fold most maginal hands 22-77, suited cards below qjs and most better broadway offsuits except maybe aj0 and aqo. Could we limp/call as alternative? It keeps the pots smaller and lets us have relative position on the raiser and likely closing the action? We can also leave the table if this becomes a problem. 3betting light is an option for maybe hands like 88-jj, aqo+, ajs+ and ak. I would probably 4bet qq most of the time and slowplay kk and aa and then take pots away from him post flop.

We are in position I'm still tightening my range but there are more hands with which I am comfortable calling ie a wider range of hands that I had raised. Most suited broadway hands, pocket prs99+, off suit broadways (KJ, KQ). Since he is raising alot of prs and axs and whatever type hands our hands can play well postflop. Little pockets where we are likely facing 2 or more overcards would lose strength as we are behind with 2 outs too often on flop.

In regards to check raising I would probably bet less hands for pot control ie the bottom of my range that didn't hit the flop, but I could bet more top prgk hands that can take the heat of a raise, but I would bet a smaller bet size to blend my lesser hands more with my strong holdings and to pot control.

He probably wants to just take down the flop when we cbet and miss so when we miss and by checking we can keep him from knowing what we have as often. If we also check back some monsters on the flop and raise a potential turn lead then we can keep him from playing back so much. Can we 3bet bluff more flops too? @nd pr type hands.

What do you other guys think about the answers?

4.The right adjustments against a villain who raises and c/raises our cbets light are IMO to
either a) tighten up our raising range pre (because it is much harder to take down the pot with a c-bet if we miss) but widen our value range postflop and handle top pair, good kicker or second pair, top kicker against this player close to the eternal nuts (so I think it's a bit to tight to fold KQo IP)
or b) to re bluff lighter postflop and i.e. click back some of his check-raises on boards we know he will check-raise a lot.

I don't like limp-calling pre, that means we adjust wrong in a way villain wants us to, giving him the license to play very creative and perfect against us, limp behind or blow pots whenever he wants to and take them down postflop often.

I don't really understand the 3betting/4betting part, sorry.

Preflop we have to avoid to adjust against his aggression in a sense that makes us a fit or fold player, bacause that would again mean to adjust in a way he wants us to, so we should continue to c-bet when our perceived strength is good or better and widen our value range against his aggression. If we check back the flop, we should raise his donk bets on the turn a good amount of the time, because a villain check-raising the flop auto-donks most turns once PFA checks behind, and besides that revenge is sweet.

We can protect our hands with ok-equity, that can't stand a check-raise, by checking behind, i.e. hidden weak draws.

EDIT: We should on the other hand check-raise this villain with strong hands if he is the PFR, becuause he will assume that we are doing what he does and check-raise bluff him often.

Q6. Isnt it better to 4bet bluff the 9% 3bettor? His shoving range is 3%, so he has a 2:1 air:nut ratio.

The 13% 3bettor has a shoving range of 4.7%, so his air: nut ratio is less than 2:1, something like 1.76:1

Since the 9% bettor have more air in his range, we should b more inclined to 4bet bluff him?

Just having a go, tell me if i m wrong please

I think you are right.

[quote]4.The right adjustments against a villain who raises and c/raises our cbets light are IMO to
either a) tighten up our raising range pre (because it is much harder to take down the pot with a c-bet if we miss) but widen our value range postflop and handle top pair, good kicker or second pair, top kicker against this player close to the eternal nuts (so I think it's a bit to tight to fold KQo IP) [/quote]

I agree with you on kqo as I put in my OP as I like the fact that if we make either of our pairs we are likely going to be good.
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or b) to re bluff lighter postflop and i.e. click back some of his check-raises on boards we know he will check-raise a lot.[/quote]

I do not understand your b) section. REbluff lighter post flop? Clciking back some ofhis c/r on boards he will c/r alot. Are you talking about 3betting flops? Or trying something later in the hand?
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I don't like limp-calling pre, that means we adjust wrong in a way villain wants us to, giving him the license to play very creative and perfect against us, limp behind or blow pots whenever he wants to and take them down postflop often.

I don't really understand the 3betting/4betting part, sorry.

Preflop we have to avoid to adjust against his aggression in a sense that makes us a fit or fold player, bacause that would again mean to adjust in a way he wants us to, so we should continue to c-bet when our perceived strength is good or better and widen our value range against his aggression. If we check back the flop, we should raise his donk bets on the turn a good amount of the time, because a villain check-raising the flop auto-donks most turns once PFA checks behind, and besides that revenge is sweet.[/quote]

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We can protect our hands with ok-equity, that can't stand a check-raise, by checking behind, i.e. hidden weak draws.[/quote]

Wouldn't we want to protect our strong draws that have good equity more than our weak ones. If we get blown off a gutter by a c/r that is ok. If we get blown off a flush draw that is a bigger mistake imo.

EDIT: We should on the other hand check-raise this villain with strong hands if he is the PFR, becuause he will assume that we are doing what he does and check-raise bluff him often.[/quote]

PS I can't see to figure out how to post and leave the op in italics. Anybody have a pointer so I don't look like an idiot all the time?