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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.20 Ante - 6 players - View hand 540432
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CO: $607.15
BTN: $543.95
SB: $52.60
BB: $323.10
Hero (UTG): $210.85
MP: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($2.70) Hero is UTG with T K K T
Hero raises to $4.70, 2 folds, BTN raises to $8.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $27.90, BTN raises to $86.40, Hero requests TIME,

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
kc tc td ks 35.84% (214,895 wins, 272 ties)
aa** 64.16% (384,833 wins, 272 ties)

http://beta.propokertools.com/simulations/graph?g=oh&h1=kc+tc+td+ks&h2=aa**

Been battling villain. He's 26/14/4 11% 3bet. I realize now he was giving SB shortstack opportunity to ship, though SB is a wierd reg and almost never shipping the SB without AA**. Anyway, I think my hand is strong enough to get some more money in vs. his BTN 3betting range and I can also rep Ahi flops if I have to.

My question comes in interpreting this PPT graph. The way I read it on about 33% of flops I will have enough equity to stack off. So I can call here in order to be priced in to call on the flop. Seems super close and about break even, maybe slightly +ev.

Any reads on the button? Your to deep to 4 bet here unless villain is complete spaz. Call the 3 bet and check ship any t, k.
Your 35% against random aces.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulate.jsp?g=oh&b=&d=&h1=kctckstd&h2=aa**&h3=&h4=&h5=

question for group; if effective stacks <100 BB do we get all in pre flop here?

^^ I misclicked and just posted the hand alone before I finished.

OOP deep I dont think I'm ever 4betting w/o AABBss or AAxxds. or jt98. I think its much better to have 4 connected cards here when 4betting than pretty much any aces.

your interperation of the graph is correct. On about 33% of flops you'll have at 33% or greator equity. which means we can probably call and look for anything where we have at least a gutshot. to figure out your exact ev you have to take an intergral. but I think its pretty close to neutral as OP said.

question for group; if effective stacks <100 BB do we get all in pre flop here?

no, i'd flat 3b unless i've scene him 4bet something like qt35

OOP deep I dont think I'm ever 4betting w/o AABBss or AAxxds. or jt98. I think its much better to have 4 connected cards here when 4betting than pretty much any aces.

This is painfully exploitable.

If you had something like...KKTTds, I'd 4bet there all day. I'd 4bet any KK/(QQ,JJ,TT)ds hand.

As for the hand, it is a straight equity thing since he only ever has aces and we absolutely have implied odds to call since our hand seems like we either have AAxx or we have some super strong rundown or something. The big thing is that you will typically either whiff or crush a flop, aside from the times that the flop comes QJx and we have to make a tougher choice. So yeah, once you get to this point this deep I'd call the 5 bet and see what the flop brings.

your interperation of the graph is correct. On about 33% of flops you'll have at 33% or greator equity. which means we can probably call and look for anything where we have at least a gutshot. to figure out your exact ev you have to take an intergral. but I think its pretty close to neutral as OP said.

Be careful! If we find ourself with a hand that flops 33-45% equity pretty often, thats not a very good thing. In that case we'll too often get to the flop, hit a piece, and end up putting even more money in bad. What you should be looking for when considering a preflop call is a graph that gives us at least 50% equity on 30% or more of flops*, because then we know we'll be winning money postflop when we get it in. The deeper we are, the fewer flops we need to hit big in order to make it up with implied odds (though if we're deeper, he's also less likely to stack off unimproved AA on our kind of boards!)

In this case, the "equity danger zone" is pretty small. For the most part we either crush it or we whiff it, and we won't end up getting it in bad very often. But we aren't crushing it that often, so I think its close between calling and folding.

I definitely don't like the 4bet in the first place. If he's got AAxx, we're punting $ to him by way of an easy 5bet. If he doesn't have AAxx, he probably has a good rundowny hand that is very likely to call our 4bet and outplay us postflop with position and plenty of stack behind.



* - these are fairly rough numbers. A more thorough analysis could be done if one wanted to get precise.

Flat his 3b; your 4 bet only gets in 13.5% of effective stacks with a very small number of good flops for you OOP. Villian is really putting a hurt on you by 5 betting when he has AAxx (what DJ said) or is able to flat your 4 bet and play very well postflop a lot of the time in position in a bloated pot with deep stacks left behind.

As played I think you have to flat and try to flop it

good pt dj sensei

I'd flat this to his 3-bet. Double-suited, I'd be 4-betting. As played, I'd definitely just fold to his 4-bet. You don't have a strong enough hand to call when he has AA, and when he doesn't, he's going to outplay you.