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so I defended preflop because this villain is passive. He doesn't b flop and b turn a lot basically, so I figure if he's giving away free cards and he's passive, it's easy for me to get away from a 6hi flush as well as a bad 2p hand

so when he barrels the turn, even though I have a gs and a possible 2p draw, should I be giving up here?

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 461806
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Hero (BB): $1468.50
BTN/SB: $486.50

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with 3 6 Q K
BTN/SB raises to $12, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24.00) Q 7 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $52, Hero FLIPS ANOTHER COIN

On this spot I think it's important to think different river cards and the chance that he is firing 3rd barrel.

-What are good cards for us? I would say pretty much only 5, K and sometimes Q though it'll be sick spot if he barrels Q also. 3 and 6 might be okay also, but again, we can't put him on a range very easily when we just c-c 2 streets.

In my opinion we also have to fold every river which doesn't improve our hand as it is too likely that he has something to call us with because our line doesn't make any sense on most of the rivers if we donk or c-r. If he is weak enough you could sometimes c-r or donk rivers like A, 7, 2. But I wouldn't do that on many villains or too often.

So I think c-f is best play because you also said that he have been passive. On the flop though I think you can sometimes c-r as it is super dry and he shouldn't hit that very often.

I'd probably c/f turn, but as foukus said I'd totally c/r flop. Villain rarely hits this board and you can happily follow through on any k/q/6/3/spade/diamond turn.

Check raising the flop is pretty mandatory, he really can't float you on this flop due to there being no draws out there whatsoever. If you get called you can usually put them on a strong hand as well then at that point.

Check raising the flop is pretty mandatory, he really can't float you on this flop due to there being no draws out there whatsoever. If you get called you can usually put them on a strong hand as well then at that point.

The way I'm seeing it is that when you guys say c/r a flop as dry as this, it seems more like a way ahead way behind situation.

If I'm already wa, shouldn't I just c/c here? What's the point of c/ring? The only bad cards are Ace, 7, and 2. I'm putting in more money to take down the pot and whenever he does call, it gets pretty close to as whether I'm ahead or not

and as a result I'm bloating the pot while I'm also OOP.

This is my NL style of thinking so if anyone can go over this and explain why c/ring is fine in plo vs. NL I'd be pretty happy to hear

The way I'm seeing it is that when you guys say c/r a flop as dry as this, it seems more like a way ahead way behind situation.

If I'm already wa, shouldn't I just c/c here? What's the point of c/ring? The only bad cards are Ace, 7, and 2. I'm putting in more money to take down the pot and whenever he does call, it gets pretty close to as whether I'm ahead or not

and as a result I'm bloating the pot while I'm also OOP.

This is my NL style of thinking so if anyone can go over this and explain why c/ring is fine in plo vs. NL I'd be pretty happy to hear

I would say that you are way ahead here very rarely (or never?). To give some clue about equities, you have 65%ish against 4 RANDOM cards on this flop. Of course he'll fold those 4 random non-hit cards to c-r and he is gonna bet the flop with probably like 80% to 90% of his range as it is so dry. You don't want to him realize the equity he has and you should be more than happy to take the pot away by c-r.

If you just c-c as you did, you don't have any clue on most of the turn where you stand, his range is much wider and it is hard for you to do nothing else than c-f on the turn.

Also, I don't agree with only bad cards being A, 7 and 2. What you are gonna do on any broadway? How about 8 or 9?

Basically we aren't bloating the pot really, as we want him to fold. If he calls we can shutdown or make some moves if necessary. I think the c-r here has purpose of denying his equity as he has some pretty much always.

I myself can't really compare this to NL because I haven't played it too much. Maybe someone else can make the comparison?

Just one small thing to add...if we are always c/r top pair+kickers here he would be correct to overship any top pair+kickers he has because he would presume to have fold equity and our range for c/r here is way heavily weighted towards the bottom parts of our range combinatorially. So for balance reasons I think a c/call here is good on occasion vs. a thinking player who can cut up our ranges in this spot. A c/r is generally the more profitable play though since we have a lot of cards we can continue to barrel on when we pick up one of the many back door draws we have.

Also I don't think this is really a WA/WB situation, they aren't nearly as common in PLO as they are in NLHE. As Foukus said, any 4 random cards have 35% equity here. The equity of back door 2 pair, back door FD, BD trips, BDSDs...it all adds up and is pretty substantial. He can peel pretty lightly.

He can peel pretty lightly.

He WILL peel pretty lightly. Who does fold to c/r on dry flops when villain is not Mr.Nit?