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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by fslexcduck (Mid Stakes)

Vanessa my hero
First I want to thank you so much.
I am a suscriber on DC for a bit more than a month now. But I am making a living with poker since 2005. Since then, I tried many time to learn Omaha. I read books, I saw vids on other sites and some friends pros tried to teach me the game. It always seemed completely obscure for me, and I never got the feeling of the game.
After just one of your video (the introduction of this serie), for the first time of my life I had the feeling I understand the game. I watched the 2x6 and Ms PLO series and I bought PT Omaha. For a month I played over 2000 hands, multitabling between 2 and 4 tables at 1/2 and 2/4. I averaged 22 BB/100 hands. I am sure there is lot of variance and I am way above my expectation, but I feel like I found a new job.
During one of the last vidéos, could you please detailled what are the stats on your HUD. I am not sure about the bottom 3, and how do you use those stats in your borderline decisions.
Thanks again

Vanessa, this is a great series – I’m sorry to see it end.

Hand 1: At about 10 minutes into episode six you are in the SB with 9c8h7h2c and the flop is 5c4c3d. You have a weak flush draw and a gutshot to the nuts.You are first to act in a limped pot and bet the pot into a field of 3 opponents.

Hand 2: This seems similar to a situation at about 36 minutes into episode five where you are in the BB in a 5-way raised pot with 5h4c2h2d. The flop is 4s3c2c and you check with the intention of folding to any action.

In both situations you are first to act in a multi-way pot and in both situations the flop is very similar ( 3-in-a-row two-tone low cards). Possible differences are:
1) In hand 1, you only have weak draws. In hand 2, you have bottom set to go with a weak draw.
2)Hand 1 was limped and hand 2 was raised.
To me the best play in hand 1 seems like it should be to check just like you did in hand 2. Why is it right to lead out in the limped pot and to check in the raised pot?

- Greg

glilley, without seeing the video yet I like Hand 1. Betting out shows a lot of strength. If no one has NFD or a set, they probably fold. No one is chasing two pair on that board which might be an issue if it were Q62. Also, Vanessa was in the blinds. She could easily have the straight, where as others are less likely to hold low cards. The fact that she has the gutshot and weak flushdraw gives her some outs when called by a set or a 2pair hand that's reluctant to fold.

Hand2 I'd have to see what was the action and stack sizes etc, but most of the time I'm felting set+openended, even given that this is the weakest set+oe you can have. There might be some situations where I could fold but there has to be a lot of action to indicate I'm against both a bigger set and a made straight. I'm certainly not folding to _any_ action.

Hey guys,

Sorry for the lack of response - I just now saw these posts.

The first hand is because it tends to be the case that in a limped pot on straightened boards, people will fold at some point if they don't have the nut straight (or whatever the nuts are on that street) if you've shown significant aggression on multiple streets. If faced with resistance, you can fold easily. It's by no means a "standard" or necessary play, but just an example of the thinking behind some of the moves I made.

In the second hand, to respond to Dyess, it isn't about being up against BOTH a higher straight AND bigger set - it's about being up against one of the two when money goes in the pot.

So: we are necessarily behind when money goes in. Best case scenario, we're up against two pair and a flush draw, but our open ended tends to add nothing to our hand anyway. That's what you have to remember. Against the range of hands we are up against, our open ended draw means very little (other than chop outs against made straight). Even against 2pr + flush draw, we're even money more or less.

If we're against a straight, we're something like 40% or less if they have OESD too (or flush draw), and if we happen to be against a higher set, we are absolutely dominated. It simply isn't a good situation to get our money in the pot.

But if we're to bet out, we're creating a situation in which there's enough dead money that it WILL be correct to get our money in, which is something I want to avoid doing. Just because we check doesn't mean we give up on the hand - if it checks around we have plenty of opportunity to win the pot (and extract more in the process)... but if it goes in on the flop, I promise, we are in trouble.