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PL Omaha $2(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($201)
BB ($160)
UTG ($80)
Hero ($394)
CO ($200)
BTN ($594)

Dealt to Hero 8 6 J 9

fold, Hero raises to $7, fold, BTN raises to $24, fold, fold, Hero calls $17

FLOP ($51) 7 K 8

Can anyone give me a plan here? Villain is 36/11/9 and semi tricky.

Hypothetical turn: 9

Assuming we C/C the flop, how are we proceeding with an SPR of ~2?

If you donk this flop, do you expect villain to shove a wide enough range to make the call?

I don't like calling with this hand. It's just a little too weak and it leaves you unclear on a lot of turns. I want to donk out here. Between the rainbow board, the middle pair, and the non-nuttiness of the draw, I feel like taking what fold equity is there is a good line. Its a tough call for a pot donk if you put yourself in his shoes with a naked AA or 1p hand... and thats often what he's got on K87r.

I don't like calling with this hand. It's just a little too weak and it leaves you unclear on a lot of turns. I want to donk out here.

If villain can read a hand, he will know this is why you donk. AAxx has a pretty easy call on the flop, TP+kickers is calling too, and anything better is either calling or raising. The real purpose of the donk bet would be to protect our equity vs sth like AQJx, which should be compared to the times when villain calls and we see the turn OOP in a bigger pot with a mediocre hand.

If villain can read a hand, he will know this is why you donk. AAxx has a pretty easy call on the flop, TP+kickers is calling too, and anything better is either calling or raising. The real purpose of the donk bet would be to protect our equity vs sth like AQJx, which should be compared to the times when villain calls and we see the turn OOP in a bigger pot with a mediocre hand.

If donking makes villain with AA shove, that's an awesome result for us, do you realise why?

I'm definetly not the greatest at PLO, but here's my take.

We are too deep to think the villian is going to get it in on the flop with just AA. I think our course of action should be to be put pressure on the villian to get him to fold a hand that has decent equity against us (or complete air if that is what he happens to have.) We should donk and follow up with a 2nd barrel quite often OR check/raise the flop. If he checks behind, that isn't a terrible result either really since our hand isn't that great yet anyway.

Basically, we are pretty sure we have some equity, but aren't crushing him, so try to get him to fold...

If he raises our c/r or 2 barrel, can't we be pretty sure we are crushed more than we thought we were and can fold?

If donking makes villain with AA shove, that's an awesome result for us, do you realise why?

He's not shoving w/ AAxx, he's peeling. Do you fold your aces when a random guy donks into you on this flop? Your Kxxx?

He's not shoving w/ AAxx, he's peeling. Do you fold your aces when a random guy donks into you on this flop? Your Kxxx?

If that's what he's doing with 1pair hands then it's much better to donk than to check call. Better to take the initiative, and if he did miss the flop then you take it down.

If that's what he's doing with 1pair hands then it's much better to donk than to check call. Better to take the initiative, and if he did miss the flop then you take it down.

It depends a lot on your range and his. If your donking range is strong enough, I think this is a good play, since villain will be damned if he calls and damned if he folds; but I bet that if you look at all the recent threads that suggest a donk bet, you are going to find a ton of weak hands trying to take down the pot.

If it works, it is fine, but what about the times when he calls and you got to play the turn w/ a weak hand OOP in a sizeable pot with good money left to bet?

The problem with calling with AAxx on rainbow boards is there are only 2 cards in the deck that are good for you usually. Most turns cards will have the guy fire again at you.
Let's say the turn comes 2
The guy with 689J has 19 cards on the river to win. That's still half the deck.
The problem with peeling with AA is we often have no clue where we are. Calling the flop is as good as committing ourselves since half the cards in I'd be a lot happier just sticking it in with AA if i'm going to take it beyond the flop.

The problem with calling with AAxx on rainbow boards is there are only 2 cards in the deck that are good for you usually. Most turns cards will have the guy fire again at you.
Let's say the turn comes 2
The guy with 689J has 19 cards on the river to win. That's still half the deck.
The problem with peeling with AA is we often have no clue where we are. Calling the flop is as good as committing ourselves since half the cards in I'd be a lot happier just sticking it in with AA if i'm going to take it beyond the flop.

It also depends on villain's range. If he peels too light, barreling will put him in too many tough spots, but if he calls when he has some backdoor equity along with his aces, or if he protects his peeling range by sometimes calling with his two pair and sets (assuming you'll barrel a blank, while you would fold to a flop raise), then it's going to be tougher for you to attack his peeling range OOP.

I hear you that when naked aces don't hit their backdoor on a blank turn, they are going to have some guesswork, but if your donking range is pretty weak and you barrel 100% of your range, it could be a shove. Otherwise, he'll be run over--and the blank turn improved his equity, actually.

Furthermore, if he has a hand like KQJT, he has 70% equity and he's not folding. This is a significant part of his range, too.

I like a bet/fold as there are quite a few cards that give you extra equity. I would then proceed to bet and stack off on any , 8 or T and check/call any 6, 9 or J. I would bet/fold a 5 or 4.

personally, I fold this hand preflop. This is a hand I'd play on the button or CO hoping to get heads up with one of the blinds, but I think you have to bad of flush draws and ur not connected enough to open. I may be to tight though, as no on in this thread has suggested fold preflop yet.

When i do play these specluative hand I feel like i have enough equity to call but not to shove in. I usaly end up c/c half off my stack away only to miss. I feel like its a big leak but IDK. I think theres some spots where its ok to c/c in PLO.

I think donking is probably the best play as otheres have said.