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Ok, I'm hoping you guys can analyze this hand for me. I'm going to try and give as many villain stats as possible to bring in the context. I feel like I played this hand well, but I'd like some advice because if I didn't play this hand profitably I want to change it up.

Hero (4k hands on Lock) 24/16/2.9Agg 6.03bet
I have a pretty solid image at the table

UTG (16 hands) 81/19/8.0Agg
he had never 3bet, but was pretty aggro post flop. Probably closer to "readless" than "aggro" given the # of hands

CO (61 hands) 53/22/1.0Agg 12.0/3bet
pretty loose pre, lamb post flop.

Onto the hand:

Cake Poker $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1851573
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CO: $9.67
BTN: $11.01
SB: $1.65
BB: $31.01
UTG: $11.45
Hero (MP): $19.18

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 5 6 9 8
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $0.78, CO raises to $2.84, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.49, Hero calls $2.06

Flop: ($8.67) Q 9 7 (3 players)
UTG bets $8.61, Hero raises to $16.34, CO folds

Turn: ($25.89) J (2 players)

River: ($25.89) K (2 players)

Final Pot: $25.89

-------------NOTES ON HAND--------

Pre-Flop
I min 3bet here to try to isolate and to also see if I get 4bet. If UTG 4bets likely AAxx and I'm fine with this rundown hand in position. When CO 4bets looks like that should always be AAxx but since he's 3betting 12% that doesn't have to be the case. If UTG had 5bet, one of them has AAxx and I'm really not sure what to do there. instead UTG flats and I get to close the action. Here's where I was trying to figure out my equity against their ranges. UTG probably has KK/weak AA or a premium rundown. CO should have AAxx but could show up with anything given his 3bet stats (even though this was technically a 4bet).

I call knowing that if my hand hits, they will have a hard time folding and I'll be at a considerable equity advantage. If I miss, well I probably had enough equity to make the pre call anyway and we move on.

Flop
Flop comes and UTG decides to donk. Because it's two-tone I could see QQxx hands not having a flush draw making this move, not wanting to give a free card. I could also see KTJQ w/o a flush draw doing this too trying to fold out the overpairs. Definitely was decision time. I was really asking myself if I had at least 40% equity against villain's get it in range. UTG had been pretty aggro so betting certainly not weird, but he isn't folding so he must be trying to get folds or is value betting. I didn't do pro poker tools, but I think I have a lot of equity if he does not have a flush...but am not looking great if he does.

We also can't forget about CO who should have AAxx. AAxx with xx not helping the AA here certainly can fold with the action as played. Also, if he calls, given his pre range he shouldn't drain my equity.

So I shipped it. Right or wrong play?

Now I'm a PLO novice too but I dont think our hand is strong enough preflop given our position. I wouldn't 3bet and most likely I would fold pre.

As played I would be very worried our hand is dominated by better draws and worried by villan potting but probably would get it in

Why not just 3-bet pot? Are you not calling a 4-bet if you 3-bet pot? Btw UTG has aa never once he calls the 4-bet, and giving him a range of "premium rundowns" is extremely generous - even at 16 hands, stats of 81/16 say a lot, and to me that includes his range being miles wider than you describe. CO almost certainly has aa - don't read anything into a 3-bet stat that has come up over 61 total hands.

3-bet to a normal amount pf and the hand is fine. Flop is a trivial shove with the zillion outs you have, even of some are blocked/you're up against a better draw.

i would 3bet pot pf.you would never min3bet with AAxx and other premium hands,so why with this hand? and ship flop is standard

didn't pot 3bet because if I got 4bet, not sure i would call b/c if I catch just a piece of the flop, I'd have the correct odds to call but could be dominated. I wanted to narrow his range as cheaply as possible while giving him an opportunity to play incorrectly. At least that's what I was thinking.

Nowhereman, you're probably right...that may have been too generous.

MI5 Mark, why are you folding this hand pre?

Now I'm a PLO novice too but I dont think our hand is strong enough preflop given our position. I wouldn't 3bet and most likely I would fold pre.

Against an 80/20? I know it's 16 hands, but there's no way an 80/20 turns into a 15/13 or close to it. Our hand plays great against this guy postflop - where we'll be IP against most likely just him - in a big pot where he's going to make big mistakes. Sounds pretty perfect to me.

As played I would be very worried our hand is dominated by better draws and worried by villan potting but probably would get it in

We have a pair, a FD and a 13-out (5/6/8/10, although the Td and 8d don't count) wrap - what more could you want? I know that there's a chance one or more of our draws is dominated, but it's likely just one or the other. If I was HU with just the pair and either of those draws (knowing it was good), I'd snap get it in.

didn't pot 3bet because if I got 4bet, not sure i would call b/c if I catch just a piece of the flop, I'd have the correct odds to call but could be dominated. I wanted to narrow his range as cheaply as possible while giving him an opportunity to play incorrectly. At least that's what I was thinking.

You definitely (happily) call a 4-bet with this hand. Go do some PPT analysis and play around with various types of hands to see how well you do against a 4-bet from known AA. If you know he has AA and you flop any reasonable piece (this flop is miles beyond a reasonable piece), your fine at least calling a flop. Again, check some PPT sims when you flop pair + anything against a range of AA.

100% in line with n0whereman...

3-bet Pot pre to call a 4-bet.

Once I've seen a flop with my Pivot, a Pair and my dwarf-FD, there's no way my stack isn't going in the middle against 2 live ones...

didn't pot 3bet because if I got 4bet, not sure i would call b/c if I catch just a piece of the flop, I'd have the correct odds to call but could be dominated. I wanted to narrow his range as cheaply as possible while giving him an opportunity to play incorrectly. At least that's what I was thinking.

Nowhereman, you're probably right...that may have been too generous.

MI5 Mark, why are you folding this hand pre?

Because I'm too new to PLO! I avoid sticky spots at the moment

Nowhereman...Yeah, maybe I was being too nitty.

Let's say I pot 3bet, the CO pot 4bet, UTG calls pre...I think I still have at least 33% equity against the best hands to make the call on the spot, right? I did a quick calc on PPT against AA and KQJT I'm at 33%. If either has my flushes covered that obviously goes down.

there will also be a lot of situations where they both share broadway cards and your equity goes up

Nowhereman...Yeah, maybe I was being too nitty.

Let's say I pot 3bet, the CO pot 4bet, UTG calls pre...I think I still have at least 33% equity against the best hands to make the call on the spot, right? I did a quick calc on PPT against AA and KQJT I'm at 33%. If either has my flushes covered that obviously goes down.

I'm never folding in the scenario you describe.

Because I'm too new to PLO! I avoid sticky spots at the moment

fwiw this is a great spot, not a sticky one

Because I'm too new to PLO! I avoid sticky spots at the moment

It's the easiest spot you'll ever find... ok, almost

You're looking to flop the 7 (your Pivot card) and/or a Pair, any Pair, even the 5 would be fine.
The FD is more of an added insurance: if Op has it you're stealing his outs; if he doesn't youre even more ahead.

With just the 7, you can always see the Turn.
With a low wrap like you flopped + Pair, only TJxx dominates you on the Straights front and you're not in such a bad shape even against QQxx, unless it's exactly QQJT with a diamonds FD, but that's just a cooler... so ship singing