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Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1847732
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BTN: $12.75 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 2
Hero (SB): $25.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 4.1, Hands: 307519
BB: $27.09 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 24, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 25
UTG: $33.51 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.1, Hands: 137
MP: $29.25 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 4.8, Hands: 253
CO: $22.33 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 9, 3B: 13, AF: 0.8, Hands: 43

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A 6 2 A
UTG raises to $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.40) 5 K 9 (4 players)
Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2, UTG raises to $8, MP folds, Hero raises to $24.15, BB folds, UTG calls $16.15


25plo zoom, Villain is 25 18 with af 3.1, no further reads.
Should I have played it differently?

If you're pretty certain UTG will C-bet wide or someone will try to attack the flop with a wide range I don't mind going for a check-raise, but leading out is fine, too. I'd probably lead larger though.

As played, once we get raised, we need about 42-43% against UTG's all-in range assuming BB always folds when we jam, which I think we're probably a little shy of having, and I'm not certain we have much fold equity once UTG raises a lead and a call. We also aren't overly concerned if BB pads the pot with some dominated draws, but even if he folds, we're getting an immediate price to call if we only continue on Aces, non-five diamonds and cards that give us a straight draw, so my plan would be to call and play the turn.

You say you would lead bigger if you wouldve lead, would you still call if you would get raised or would you stack off then?

With this lead you say you wouldve called and play the turn, and then what? x/f when we miss? do you ever expect villain to x behind the turn? Waht would you do when we hit?

thanks for your reply.

In PLO Cash I've yet to find a good enough reason to leadout for less than the Pot if you decide to leadout... but they say I tend to be a little bit aggressive

Given that, I like the call pre-flop since your AAxx is at best "acceptable" and you'll be OOP, and I'm pretty happy to play for stacks on that flop.

You say you would lead bigger if you wouldve lead, would you still call if you would get raised or would you stack off then?

Probably still call. We'll still be getting immediate odds but the amount of equity we need against an all-in range only decreases a percent or two.

With this lead you say you wouldve called and play the turn, and then what? x/f when we miss? do you ever expect villain to x behind the turn? Waht would you do when we hit?

When we miss, x/f. We're most often not in good shape when the turn doesn't hit us so we're going to be relying mostly on our flush outs but not getting odds to draw. I think he's also rarely checking behind most turns except on diamonds when he wants to take a free card so I would lead any turn that improves us.

I think you played it fine, but bet more the first time. 4 ways + plenty of draws = bet pot.

In PLO Cash I've yet to find a good enough reason to leadout for less than the Pot if you decide to leadout... but they say I tend to be a little bit aggressive

plenty of reasons, including being HU and/or dry board textures.

plenty of reasons, including being HU and/or dry board textures.

Sorry, I didn't explain myself.
I was talking of MW Spots where I don't mind to go to the felt.

Completely agree with you about HU Pots.

I think you played it fine, but bet more the first time. 4 ways + plenty of draws = bet pot.

I always thought you should bet smaller when having the nutdraw so more people can call and make worse hands?

I always thought you should bet smaller when having the nutdraw so more people can call and make worse hands?

My thought on my field (just to keep that in mind)

In my field (.it), even at Mid stakes, a Pot bet would be called by:
1. low rundowns (678x)
1b. low Gutshots...
2. High rundowns (TJQx)
2b. High Gutshots...
3. T+ FD
4. If it's my lucky day and there's at least a Live one at the table, even a Kxxx

Plenty of hands that can call IMHO.

I always thought you should bet smaller when having the nutdraw so more people can call and make worse hands?

1) generally speaking, always betting smaller/larger/check-raising when _you_ have [insert hand here] is not going to be a good idea, because people will spot that quickly and adjust. Make sense?
2) In this particular case, the fact that there's 4 people in the hand + the sheer number of ways someone could have a hand worth continuing with dictates that your bet size can be large. If the board was K72r or xdxdxd, sure, bet smaller, but there's too much opportunity to make betting small best here.

In PLO Cash I've yet to find a good enough reason to leadout for less than the Pot if you decide to leadout... but they say I tend to be a little bit aggressive

Interesting.....

Why is that? Can you show any maths behind that.

Multiway, I think leading for like <1/3 pot can be cool too. Puts a lot of pressure for people in the middle to fold their equity, and this a hand we are sorta happy to get all in with if they raise bluff a small % of the time. If we bet bigger I feel like they bluff raise less.

Interesting.....
Why is that? Can you show any maths behind that.

Sure, shown below.

Multiway, I think leading for like <1/3 pot can be cool too. Puts a lot of pressure for people in the middle to fold their equity, and this a hand we are sorta happy to get all in with if they raise bluff a small % of the time. If we bet bigger I feel like they bluff raise less.

First a couple of thoughts about the hand at hand...
I think we both Agree that this is a hand we're happy to play for stacks.
I also assume we agree that, even though there are a bunch of Turn we love, there's Deck-Bunch that we totally hate, like any non diamond broadway or non diamond 6-8 and any card pairing the board. That's a total of 27 cards that can heavily reduce the Equity of our hand.

I personally like to get to the lower possible SPR while my Equity is still at its maximum... and right now against the worst hand (KKATs spades) we've got 31%, while on a blank Turn we'll be down to 25/27%.

If we leadout and are called by 1 Op, depending on the Size of our Bet we are left with a SPR of:
1/3 = 4,7
1/2 = 3,8
1 = 2,4

If we're Raised Pot that becomes
1/3 = 2,9
1/2 = 2,5
1 = 1,8

In my eyes (I can be wrong and have been a lot of times ) only the Pot Options makes possible for us to commit OTF.
Thus we're able to put maximum pressure on our Op, folding with various % (Op dependant) 2P and Mid/Lo Sets.

On a less mathematical side, I never change my sizes and I'd Pot there with all of my Range that leads out (3 sets + 2RD + a bunch of Top2 & some air that can continue on some turn - but not 4-way -) even though I'd lead out less than 60% of the times, Ops dependant (but I hardly think I'd have the necessary info on a Zoom table, so make that a 100% lead out).

Great dude.

Thanks for the input

I run some maths and just couple of thoughts to bring to this conversation. What range do you guys think he is stacking off here 4way?

I put a range he can raise from utg and maybe stacks of here:

1. A quite large range:
KK** , TT99 , 9988 , JJ99 , QQ99, 9977 , KQJ9, AKQ9, AKT9, QdJTdx , 7d8d6x
we got 37,43%.

2. KKxx we got 33,41%


3. KKxx, 99xx, 55xx we got 33,53%


4. KKxx, 99xx, 55xx ,any K9xx we got 40,24%


With this betsize our potodds needed are 22,15 / 53,7 = 41,25% + rake


With potsize bet and BB calling 20,75 / 55,1 = 37,66% + rake

What range are you giving him to raise the lead and call? Is it still enough to stack off ? Other lines to take here? Stacking off seems to be ok but I don´t think its +ev often enought 4way with this action unless he folds sometimes.