Pure17
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snarble5
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how do you think he's playing on various river cards when he no longer has the nuts? you can call and consider bluffing different cards but vs this guy I probably just fold since he's going to put you on whatever draw missed/not care and call because he has the nuts.
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Columbo
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kkeorc
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Am I the only one who snapfolds this preflop?
One other thing to consider is what you would do on a
river and he checks. If that would be a good opportunity to bluff then calling the turn might not be that bad.
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RI_Don
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i find 80% Ftcb with a 41% WTSD really odd. I guess it means whenever he goes beyond the flop he never folds. If that's the case then probably 75% of the time he's going to pay us off on rivers when we fill up. However, we won't be able to bluff flushes because he'll always call us with his straights.
So I think we need to figure out if he has enough behind for us to call with the less than 25% equity we have on the turn against his straights. Looking at stacks, I think it's pretty close. wish his WTSD was a bit lower, because I think we could add the flush cards as bluff outs.
As it is, I think folding might be the right play here even though villain probably pays off when we fill up. It just won't happen often enough to be profitable against this villain.
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Kulk
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So I think we need to figure out if he has enough behind for us to call with the less than 25% equity we have on the turn against his straights. Looking at stacks, I think it's pretty close. wish his WTSD was a bit lower, because I think we could add the flush cards as bluff outs.
This doesnt make sense for me. You are asking if we have enough implied odds for when we fill up but at the same time you expect to villain to fold flush rivers
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RI_Don
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sorry...what I wrote may have been confusing. I meant to say that he WON'T fold flush rivers and thus our ability to bluff when a flush card hit goes down and we're not going to hit often enough for a call here to be playable, in my opinion.
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pfeffer-kopf2
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I do think thats a fold preflop actually.
And if already got there , calling the turn is fine. He probably has also a 10 in his hand , and you are getting very good implied odds if you pair that 10.
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Kulk
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I do think thats a fold preflop actually.
And if already got there , calling the turn is fine. He probably has also a 10 in his hand , and you are getting very good implied odds if you pair that 10.
Why? Because he now has a pair to go with his Q9?
I don't think it makes much sense for villain to donk 2 pair on the turn unless he is turning it into a bluff. I don't think someone has 88 unless its Q988 and a TT is likely to c/r the flop and unlikely to donk the turn when it just got weaker.
And I would fold this preflop. I'm not playing JJ in this spot unless it also has 2 broadways and a suit. Or maybe a JJT9ss
The hand looks nice because of the double suits. But we should think about how they contribute to the hand? IMO they only function as back-up equity when we flop a set. If we dont flop a set we are never continuing with the hand uless its checked trough. So we are basically calling pre to set mine which I don't think is really good with JJ
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