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Hey Guys,

in this hand i faced a typical situation for me where i really don't know how to proceed pre- and postflop.

villain: 16/13 after 61 hands, 3bet 16% (31), reggish multitabler as a guess

PF: Is this a good hand to defend against the 3bet? I see all guys in the vids snapcalling with tones of hands in this spot, but an uncoordinated Suited Ace has imo poor playability and poor Equity against a reasonable 3betting range from a nitty reg, or?

F: My nightmare scenario, bare TopTwo on a wet Axx-board and SPR 4,5, how to proceed now after his cbet? Its never a fistpumpgetitin but a don't wanna fold or give freecards either. So call, raise small, raise big?

Glad to hear some comments on this.

Party Poker $200 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1838181
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SB: $392.00
BB: $239.80
UTG: $409.00
CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with T A 9 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($42.00) T 8 A (2 players)
SB bets $29.92, [color=red]Hero ?

I was under the impression that this hand plays poorly in 3 bet pots, can any of the better plo players verify this?

Agree with the above poster. I mean, what do you expect to be flopping, that you're happy with?
If the opponent was 3betting more frequently I'd probably defend aswell. But a person with these kinds of stats I doubt he's got too much junk in his range when OOP. (probably not at all)

against a 16/13 i'd have no problems folding this to a 3-bet, even in position.

I was under the impression that this hand plays poorly in 3 bet pots, can any of the better plo players verify this?

Against a tight 3bet guy yes.
Against a loose 3bet guy no.

So given opponent preflop is totally fine. (he has 16% 3bet guys!!)

As played. Jam the monies in. Im super happy about this flop.

So given opponent preflop is totally fine. (he has 16% 3bet guys!!)
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it's a super tiny sample size! 16/13 players do not have 31% 3-bet stats.

i like opening smaller 100bb deep otb, im folding to the 3 bet as played (its close), and definitely jamming now (quite happily). if you have a really good read you might want to call and play a turn.

it's a super tiny sample size! 16/13 players do not have 31% 3-bet stats.

yes some do...

yes some do...

Please show me a player with > 20k hands and those stats. Regardless, why on earth would you make that your default assumption? We have 60 hands on the guy, so he's had maybe 10 chances to 3-bet. That's a ridiculously small sample size - the far more likely conclusion is that he had good hands a few times in a row. Pegging him as anything other than tight is being way over-reliant on stats. The overwhelming majority of 16/13 players are going to have low 3-bet %s.

Please show me a player with > 20k hands and those stats. Regardless, why on earth would you make that your default assumption? We have 60 hands on the guy, so he's had maybe 10 chances to 3-bet. That's a ridiculously small sample size - the far more likely conclusion is that he had good hands a few times in a row. Pegging him as anything other than tight is being way over-reliant on stats. The overwhelming majority of 16/13 players are going to have low 3-bet %s.

Yes there are a ton of 16/13 with higher 3bets than their opens. Just play on ipoker and you will see them in flocks. Nit spazzes I like to call them. Never open but 3bet wider than they open lol.

Also who says he is a 16/13?
You are biased to one piece of information but not the other which I dont like.

Fact is against an unknown Im defending this BTN vs SB 100%. So without info (here being none) leading me to folding Im pretty much snap calling this preflop. Id say there more positive points in never folding preflop against unknowns with marginals hand than going for the "safe" way of folding. Id say thats especially true for omaha.

Also who says he is a 16/13?
You are biased to one piece of information but not the other which I dont like.

The 16/13 is far more likely to be close to right than the 31% 3-bet since vpip and pfr converge faster by at least an order of magnitude.

Thanks for your answers so far, seems to be a close spot, btw the 16% 3bet (31) means he had 31 chances to make the 3bet.

After the discussion i think i feel saver to let this Preflop go, although Suited Aces with bad kicker and suited medium paires are a great portion of my first in range otb. Im not sure, but:

What would your openraise range be and with how many hands would you not fold to a 3bet here?

I guess without checking PPT for me it would be 60% and 25% so i had to fold a tone in this spot, feels kinda wrong....

The 16/13 is far more likely to be close to right than the 31% 3-bet since vpip and pfr converge faster by at least an order of magnitude.

not sure where you are getting the 31% 3bet from, I'm pretty sure in the OP it's 16%

not sure where you are getting the 31% 3bet from, I'm pretty sure in the OP it's 16%

i'm just an idiot

I agree that you should fold to his 3Bet pre. However, I definitely think opening this hand OTB is fine. It has a suited ace which in itself is very valuable. Also, someone who's playing a 16/13 is going to fold most of the time to a steal more than 50% of the time, so that alone makes it profitable if the BB is not really loose. My general strategy with players like this when OTB is to open very wide until they start adjusting. I would also play very tight against their 3Bets, even IP.

OTF, I would raise to around $75-$80. You have some FE if he just has something like a low wrap, no FD. Also, this way if he raises AI OTF you can call and are pretty likely to be ahead, or if he just calls you can see a safe turn and put the rest in well ahead of any draws. His range includes any of the mid/high rundowns which would definitely CBet this board. He also can have KK and is just trying to B/F the flop since AA is a decent portion of his range. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you have a strong hand that you should raise flop enough to get it in OTT if he calls your raise and it's a brick.

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