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I have almost no idea what I am doing wrong. I know I am not running well but it is 50 max FFS. I play on stars, iPoker and party, I would guess 85% is on stars.

Total stats over 42k hands is 25.4/19.4/ 12.6 3b AF 4.85 Agg% 36.9 flop CB 52%

Immediately I would guess AF needs to come down. Also my 3b has come down to about 7-9%

Over the last 10k hands I have been working very diligently on my game and still coming up empty. Today I managed to drop 20 BIs in about 1878 hands. I would like to post some hands I think I might have messed up.

Let me know any other stats or screen shots you want to help me stop sucking.

A lot of these seem standard to me but then I am getting crushed so my standard is probably off.

Villain is 62/25/2.2 6.1 3b% 4bs 20% 7.8% range

Not in love with my PF 3b but he is a fish



Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $83.95 (167.9 bb)
MP: $158.16 (316.3 bb)
CO: $32.69 (65.4 bb)
BTN: $53.03 (106.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T 7 K A
UTG raises to $1.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.75, BB folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($12) 2 9 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $9.16, UTG calls $9.16

Turn: ($30.32) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $28.96, UTG raises to $57.92, Hero calls $6.13

River: ($100.50) 5 (2 players)

Results:[spoil] $100.50 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: 2 9 Q 8 5
UTG showed T Q K 8 and won $98 ($48 net)
Hero showed T 7 K A and lost (-$50.00 net)
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Villain has 3b every hand of 3 handed play and CBing every hand. I have him on a couple other tables and he is playing 60/40s I think

If I went wrong I would assume it was my flop call. or misreading the turn pot?


Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)
SB: $68.34 (136.7 bb)
BB: $90.02 (180 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 3 5 6
Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $4.50, BB folds, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($9.50) K T 3 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($21.50) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $20.53, Hero raises to $39.50 and is all-in, SB calls $18.97

River: ($100.50) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:[spoil] $100.50 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: K T 3 6 6
Hero mucked 7 3 5 6 and lost (-$50 net)
SB showed 5 K K 2 and won $99 ($49 net)
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I find myself in this spot it seems a lot. Villain is 93/33/1.2 over 30 hands 17% 3b

I assume this has to be a bomb but then again what do I know?




Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $81.92 (163.8 bb)
MP: $45.20 (90.4 bb)
CO: $127.50 (255 bb)
BTN: $128.68 (257.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A 5 A 6
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $4.50, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($15) 5 3 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $11.45, BB calls $11.45, BTN folds

Turn: ($37.90) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $33.55 and is all-in, BB calls $33.55

River: ($105.00) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:[spoil] $105.00 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: 5 3 2 7 K
BB showed J 2 Q 2 and won $102.50 ($52.50 net)
Hero showed A 5 A 6 and lost (-$50 net)
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Villain is playing 70/61/5.3 over 26 hands of 3 handed. He is on other tables and plays 35/20ish with a 16-20 ish 3b %. despite being laggy I consider him competent

I feel like the turn helps our hand too much not to jam but if I think he is semi competent how often is he floating with less than a 2?

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
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SB: $88.75 (177.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $111.54 (223.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 9 K K
BTN raises to $1.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25) 9 2 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.43, BTN calls $8.43

Turn: ($28.11) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $28.11, BTN raises to $56.22, Hero calls $7.96 and is all-in

River: ($100.25) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:[spoil] $100.25 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 9 2 2 7 6
Hero mucked 4 9 K K and lost (-$50 net)
BTN showed T 7 2 4 and won $98.25 ($48.25 net)
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Hero is BTN with 7 3 5 6

If the SB is 3betting you every hand i would just open smaller. You could even limp with hands you want to a see flop with.

The flop is a super easy fold. What is you plan when you calll? You are obviously not going to win a lot with you bottom pair, are you calling to draw to a bottom 2 pair on a straight flush draw board?

Preflop: Hero is SB with T 7 K A

I would not 3-bet this from out of position. The dangler makes this hand much harder to play. You will hit the flop less often and on top of that the villain is not likely to fold because he is a fish. Preflop would be fine if you were on the btn or co. Think abou how postflop would have played different if you were in position?

In general it looks like your post flop plan in a 3b pot is to just bomb it in on the turn whenever you have a small piece. What does your WTSD and W$SD look like?

3-7: I understand the open smaller but I knew he was going to 3b and be aggro post flop so I wanted the pot bigger so that if I read the hand correctly (not as read LOL) my hand strength would be pretty cut and dry. Also 3bing and CBing every flop does not make me give him a ton of credibility when villain takes that line yet again. fwiw I almost folded flop and turn but obviously didn't sticking to a PF plan that should have been amended I agree on the flop.

AKT7: When I 3b I do not want him to fold, I want him to call with all 62/25 of his range. The 25 is probably a lot higher being first in (LOL UTG) but I again agree not 3bing is better than 3bing. Post flop I would be less likely to 3b this because I have a positional edge.

Generally that is my 3b pot post flop plan: bomb constantly and consistently.

Since posting this thread I have made several adjustments to my game mostly 'being more aware of the trash I am 3bing UTG raisers with' type stuff. 'Bombing out with my bleep out' slightly more selectively is another adjustment.

and thank you for your input, please keep it coming.

Generally that is my 3b pot post flop plan: bomb constantly and consistently.

I think that is really destructive for your winrate.
Yes you are pushing some edges preflop by making the pot bigger but most of the money is made after preflop. Your edge should come from knowing when you can get it in and when you are crushed.

On DC there is plenty of material on 3bet pots in PLO and Propokertools is really awesome to analyse the situations. 3-bet pots are easier to analyse than regular hands IMO because ranges are smaller and SPR is smaller so there is less future action to consider.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 9 K K
BTN raises to $1.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25) 9Diamond 2Club 2Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $8.43, BTN calls $8.43

Turn: ($28.11) 7Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $28.11, BTN raises to $56.22, Hero calls $7.96 and is all-in

River: ($100.25) 6Club (2 players, 1 is all-in)

I usually bet 6 here on the flop because it is so dry. When he calls you should be very worried because there is nothing to draw to.
I would check/fold. Vs a random 2 we have 17% equity. If you think he floats a lot you can check/call.

Alot of of those HHs, plus stuff you've written, lead me to think that it was not entirely a "downswing".

The KK** hand, you guys think he's folding QQ to a flop bet? JJ? I think almost all pairs peel. Not sure whether turn is a ship tho, we can check down be good a lot. Also, this isn't really applicable to this particular hand/board texture but if you are always bombing whenever you pick up some equity on turn you miss out peoples bluff money a lot, no?

Like, you have a lot of showdown value.

AA hand looks wp.

7356 hand is a terrible peel, you never ever ever make a hand with good equity on the turn.

AKT7 hand a flop c/r seems pretty nice but hand so strong hard to go wrong on flop. I think I disagree about being more likely to call ip with this hand, if you can 3bet him and get him to play oop with his gigantic range that seems better than calling, missing and being forced to fold a lot, or fight against a weird/maniacal player in a low SPR pot with a hand that usually wont make anything better than TPTK right?

The KK** hand, you guys think he's folding QQ to a flop bet? JJ? I think almost all pairs peel. Not sure whether turn is a ship tho, we can check down be good a lot. Also, this isn't really applicable to this particular hand/board texture but if you are always bombing whenever you pick up some equity on turn you miss out peoples bluff money a lot, no?

The players that call preflop with QQxx and JJxx probably are loose enough to call the flop. However I wouldn't bluff catch here unless I have a good. I would just check/fold as played.