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Hey, just started playing PLO and I am finding a lot of places where I think I am crushing only to find myself way behind. Example below. It seems like I should be just mashing in here always. Any problems with that in this spot? I had not doubt (from the 3bet) that the BTN would bet here so I check raise with the intent of getting it in.

Poker Stars $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1813579
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BTN: $10.57 - VPIP: 59, PFR: 41, 3B: 25, AF: 4.0, Hands: 17
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 17
BB: $15.86 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
Hero (UTG): $20.79 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 2.2, Hands: 87463 (not plo)
MP: $15.38 - VPIP: 6, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 78
CO: $38.81 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q J K K
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.05, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) 9 J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.30, Hero raises to $6.05, BTN raises to $9.52, Hero calls $3.47

Turn: ($21.29) 7 (2 players)

River: ($21.29) A (2 players)

You have 2nd nut flush draw (gutshot to straightflush), the board is paired and villain 3bets 25% of the time which means his range is much wider than AAxx. I don't mind the c/r on this board, but when he comes back over you are probably in bad shape, imo, unless villain is completely incompetent.

Wouldn't be surprise to see villain show up with 9xxx on this board and J9 combos definitely in his range. Chasing flush draws on paired boards is a risky prospect and chasing non-nut flush draws also present problems.

what was the reason for not 4beting here?

Wouldn't be surprise to see villain show up with 9xxx on this board and J9 combos definitely in his range. Chasing flush draws on paired boards is a risky prospect and chasing non-nut flush draws also present problems.

Thanks. I am trying to pry my brain away from HE thinking. It felt like I flopped the world here. Your analysis is correct, he showed up with J9 of course so I was crushed beyond crushed. If you don't mind me asking though, if this analysis is correct, doesn't the check raise have to be a mistake since it commits me to the pot. Or are you saying this is pretty much a cooler? Thanks for the input. I am realizing that I really love playing PLO but if I don't get my head straight quick it could be pretty bad for my bankroll.

what was the reason for not 4beting here?

pure inexperience.

Thanks. I am trying to pry my brain away from HE thinking. It felt like I flopped the world here. Your analysis is correct, he showed up with J9 of course so I was crushed beyond crushed. If you don't mind me asking though, if this analysis is correct, doesn't the check raise have to be a mistake since it committs me to the pot. Or are you saying this is pretty much a cooler? Thanks for the input. I am realizing that I really love playing PLO but if I don't get my head straight quick it could be pretty bad for my bankroll.

I think most PLO10 players aren't making moves. So you have a couple of options. You can b/f, which is probably the best play, imo. In hold 'em you'd probably fold you KKs only to the nittiest of nits because Jx will raise cbets on this board just as much as 9x. In PLO raises 'usually' mean alot of strength.

As for c/r, there are a few reasons to do it.
1. We might have the best hand...by checking it looks like weakness and c/r looks like strength.
2. We make our hand look stronger than it is and get hands with equity against us to fold. things like KQT might bet this flop to see if their straight is good but not really want to get fancy if you caught a significant piece. Getting those hands to fold or pay to see future cards isn't a bad idea.
3. Find out if we're crushed and get away from our hand as cheaply as possible.

In 2 of those scenarios, we can get folds often enough imo, that makes the play profitable. In the 3rd scenario villain will most likely ship with J9 or 9x equally. Probably JJ flats our C/R...hoping we barrel turns. But C/R is more high risk high reward because you're investing on the flop without seeing a turn card.But for me, I find that if I make good decisions on the flop, makes later ones easier.

Lastly you could peel this flop against an aggressive opponent although if he's aggressive at some point you will need to raise his bet, and if he bets turn not sure how you can do it. So against an aggro villain, I don't think peeling will be profitable.

So I'd recommend:
1. B/F
2. C/R
3. C/F - i'm nitty.
4. C/C