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MP 21/4 over 80 hands
FCbet F, T: 1/3 - 0/1

SB 17/17

BB 23/15 over 65 hands
FCbet: 3/4

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SB ($25.10)
BB ($18.17)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($14.47)
CO ($29.76)
Hero ($33.66)

Dealt to Hero 9 Q 9 7

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1, fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75

FLOP ($3.10) A Q 9

BB checks, UTG+1 bets $2.96, Hero ?

Is raising pre better than limping? I'm very slightly behind a 4-21% opening range but with position I guess raising is still better especially since my hand sucks multiway. How about the flop then? I'm assuming his leading range is fairly tight.

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3,526,820 trials (Exhaustive)
board: a9q
qh9h9s7s 55.63% (1,960,040 wins, 3,561 ties)
4%-21%: (aa**,qq**,aq**,(a9**,q9**,akj*,ajt*): (*d*d**,kjt*,jt8*),(kqj*,kjt*): (*d*d**)) 44.37% (1,563,219 wins, 3,561 ties)

Given that I should probably just call but it sucks having a 3rd guy behind who'll be getting insane odds.

I like raising preflop. Always raising flop, we block QQ** and AA** seems unlikely given preflop action. Flatting induces difficult turn spots, because so many turn cards are bad for us.

This hand is a little light to raise with, but not horrible. I would never flat though, raise or fold.

OTF, I'd call and see a safe turn. He doesn't have AA**, so QQ** is the only hand that's beating you, but there are a lot of hands that have good equity against you. I think he has something like AQ** or a huge wrap/FD. By calling you can see a safe turn and use your position better, especially if he doesn't have diamonds. He will most likely barrel any turn and when a diamond hits you can fold, if it's a blank you can bet/raise the turn with better equity. By calling you can maximize your winnings and, more importantly, minimize your losses.

If the BB comes along too, I have to play cautious on a lot more turn cards tho (diamonds, and basically any non-pairing card >= 8). I also might lose value vs MP if he has AQ for example and the turn is one of those cards.

I think there's more merit to flatting the flop if we're deeper. After UTG+1 leads he only has about a pot sized bet left to play for so I raise all day. This board is probably also hitting BB's flatting range pretty often, too. I'd also rather put him to a decision now if he wants to play for his stack since he's only slightly deeper than UTG+1 and not let him see a turn for cheap before having to make that commitment.

I think you could get it in on the flop profitably but I think its more ev to flat and get it in on a lot of turns. BB could easily have a hand still that is beating us, aa/qq/good jt. If it was HU vs MP I would like getting it on the flop more.
If MP x on a turn diamond we know he doesnt have a flush so we can x or bet.
I would get it in for sure on every 7< thats not a diamond.
Call and evaluate turn is my advice.

I much prefer just potting it especially given UTG's stack size.

I'd raise as it's easy to get it in vs. UTG+1 and we avoid anyone the other guy coming along for the ride.

Ingame I potted the flop, BB came over the top, UTG+1 folded. What now? Seems weird to fold with that much money invested but he can easily have AA, QQ and will he ever show up with bare AQ or draws which aren't at least (close to) flipping?

You obviously call off at this point with so much in the pot. Sure, he could have you set-over-setted, but he can have big draws here as well which we're flipping. A fold at this point getting such crazy odds would just be a disaster.

Ingame I potted the flop, BB came over the top, UTG+1 folded. What now? Seems weird to fold with that much money invested but he can easily have AA, QQ and will he ever show up with bare AQ or draws which aren't at least (close to) flipping?

If I did the math right, you only need about 20% to call it off. It sucks if he shows up with AA or QQ but since he didn't raise preflop he probably doesn't have all AA hands in his range and since you hold a Q, QQ combos are also reduced. Given the price, he doesn't need to show up with many AQs and worse combo draw hands here at all to make it a call. If you give him about the tightest shipping range imaginable of bigger sets and only mega draws in his range, it's a break-even call. Give him anything else at all and it should be an easy call.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
2,883,940 trials (Exhaustive)
board: A9Q
Qh9h9s7s 22.27% (642,118 wins, 0 ties)
20%AA!1%, QQ, JT8d, KJTd, AQd)

If you pot it, you make it about $12 which is basically his stack. He has about $6 behind.

As a general rule you should never fold in a situation like this with anything that has equity especially a hand as strong as a set.