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Playing some PLO25 ZOOM and had a discussion with my brother on this hand.

Only ten hands on villain so he/she is a complete unknown.

- To 3bet or not to 3bet preflop?
- To cbet or not to cbet on this flop?
- To play for stacks or not to play for stacks?

Poker Stars ZOOM $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $100.52
SB: $12.58
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $44.98
MP: $24.90
CO: $23.07

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 5 Q Q 4
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.65, CO calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.40) J 8 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $4.28, CO raises to $18, Hero raises to $22.35 all in, CO calls $2.42 all in

If you have any stats on the CO they might be worth posting (a super high VPIP still likely means something). Without, I'm not 100% comfortable with the 3-bet 'cas I hate 3-betting OOP in general, but I think it's probably fine given how coordinated you are. Once you've done it, I see no choice but to bet/get it in here. You have the second nuts with a backdoor flush draw and we can expect him to show up wider than just 9T (big draws and other sets are AT LEAST in his range, and potentially a lot more depending on how aggro villain is). Well played imo.

I like the 3Bet if villain is opening a fairly wide range from the CO, but this is Zoom so there's not a dynamic built up. I would probably flat this hand because the flush value isn't the greatest and your value from this hand is flopping a set and getting it in vs. weaker sets and two pair etc. Also, you are closing the action so there's no need to get it HU or anything like that. This hand also doesn't flop (to use DJ's words) pieces very well ie you're going to miss a lot of flops and a lot of them will be hard to play OOP, especially when you're flushes/FDs get a lot of action.

As played, I'd B/F. This is Zoom, so people are probably playing tighter and I don't think someone is going to pot raise a pair plus flush draw, especially since you block top pair/top two. T9 is also in a lot of hands people call 3Bets with (rundowns like 789T, 9TJK).

B/F less than 100bb's? Even if his range is specifically T9+ flush draws, we've got worst case 33% equity I think (I suck w propokertools fwiw)?

No way we can fold. Against T9** we're just over 38%. We're the same vs. AKT* w/ hearts meaning we break even if that's their entire range. Include the occasional flush draw w/ just a gutter or JJ** etc. and we do really well. Bet/fold is a sizeable mistake imo.

Worst equity will be around 28% against QJT9 with two hearts.
Q Q 5 4 27.56%
QJT 9 72.44%

Against a random T9 it's 37%.
Q Q 5 4 37.36%
T9 :30% 62.64%

We have 62% against the naked flush draw.
Q Q 5 4 61.76%
A * :30% 38.24%

And best case scenario is 85% against middle set.

The weird/nice thing about ZOOM poker is that you will see a lot of unknowns. People who just play one or two buyins on their tablet, at the airpoirt, in a pub, you name it.

So without any stats on villain, do we cbet this board? And if we cbet, how much? And if villain shoves, do we call? And if we decide not to cbet, do we fold to, call or raise a bet?

Agree with the above that it's a super easy bet/get-it-in but I really dislike the 3-bet and would much rather flat. This hand actually hits flops pretty poorly despite being double suited and we are OOP with no reads at all on villain. There just aren't that many flops we're happy to play for stacks on. Reads could change this decision for me but I'd want a much more coordinated hand to 3-bet SB vs an unknown CO.

I'd usually flat pre, as played I'd be getting in on the flop, betting and folding to a raise on this flop would be the nut worst line to take imo.

I guess I put too much weight on T9 and underestimated our equity against it.

Don't mean to derail, but if it's not an imposition, some follow up q's on deepstacked play for this hand (I rarely play deeper than 250bb's, I'm pretty clueless - I'm assuming the same readless situation):

1. How deep do we need to be to play this as b/c rather than getting it in on the flop?
2. What's the plan for the rest of the hand if we b/c flop?