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snarble5

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Hello everyone,

Ok so UTG+1 in this hand is a 32/22 with a 7% 3 bet, he seems pretty reggish although maybe a little passive postflop, I've seen him make what I would consider loose peels postflop and SB is a 47/23 with n 8% 3 bet, he seems fairly active postflop.

Pre: is standard I'd say even with marginal-ish aces.

Flop: I think is a pretty standard check given it hits alot of different hands and we can't really bet/call this deep. HU vs UTG+1 I would cbet though.

Turn: I think calling is standard (?), but I was wondering what everyone thinks of potting since SB might bet bigger with some of his monsters and UTG+1 makes some loose peels post so raising protects our hand, get some value from draws we dominate (or are just ahead of), I can get someone to lay down a small or mid 2 pair thinking I have KJ or KK, and we prevent ourselves from getting bluffed on the river (somewhat unlikely 3 way). Downside is we get it in with 27% when SB has KK, and we don't get to use our position by calling and playing a river IP and can't bluff some rivers if we miss (I don't think this is that big of a downside though).

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.20 Ante - 6 players - View hand 1778819
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SB: $200.45
BB: $269.38
UTG: $333.91
MP: $237.90
CO: $123.90
Hero (BTN): $298.36

Pre Flop: ($2.70) Hero is BTN with A Club A Spade 9 Club 5 Diamond
1 fold, MP raises to $4.70, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16.80, SB calls $16.30, 1 fold, MP calls $12.10

Flop: ($52.60) 6 Heart 7 Heart J Club (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($52.60) K Club (3 players)
SB bets $35, MP calls $35, Hero ?

Let me know what you think of all streets/thought process. Thanks in advance.

Posted 12 months ago

tinygoldfish

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my 2 cents

1-MP is pretty much always folding if you pot and SB folds, if SB calls he might call with something that has the NFD but he might pot raise the SB lead in the first place with that.

2-If SB was a tighter reg i'd like it more because he would have a lot less KK and KJ compared with medium semi-conected rundowns which have J7,J6,76 or some wrap+FD draw that have equity but will fold to a raise. But this guy probably has a bunch of AKJ6ss,AKJ2ss (maybe not even to the A?), KJT8ss, and stuff like that and is probably going to have KJ too much to make this a better line than calling....
we're getting direct odds IP 3way with a nutty draw deep when we call so raising has to be pretty damn good to be the best choice and i think it might not be

Posted 12 months ago

AAKKds

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Pre: I agree with everything.

Flop: Agree.

Turn: I would just call. You are getting odds to, and when SB cold calls the 3Bet he often has a rundown or a big pair, both of which hit this board hard. I think if we raise we are going to get 3Bet WAY more than getting folds. I would call, and evaluate the river. I would also fold river unimproved.

Posted 12 months ago

snarble5

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2-If SB was a tighter reg i'd like it more because he would have a lot less KK and KJ compared with medium semi-conected rundowns which have J7,J6,76 or some wrap+FD draw that have equity but will fold to a raise. But this guy probably has a bunch of AKJ6ss,AKJ2ss (maybe not even to the A?), KJT8ss, and stuff like that and is probably going to have KJ too much to make this a better line than calling....
we're getting direct odds IP 3way with a nutty draw deep when we call so raising has to be pretty damn good to be the best choice and i think it might not be


this is a very good point.

Posted 12 months ago

strukl

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don't want to derail but what do we do on a 6c/7c river when SB bets?what about 8d/8s?
and what if mp calls?

Posted 12 months ago

AAKKds

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don't want to derail but what do we do on a 6c/7c river when SB bets?what about 8d/8s?
and what if mp calls?



On 6c/7c river I'd just call. Same with 8d/8s river. I'd probably do the same if MP called on 6c/7c. Offsuit 8 is a tough decision. I'd probably fold if MP called as it's too likely he has us beat. I don't think he'd call with any two pair in that spot. I'd fold to any MP raise in both situations.

I also think MP has a draw almost 100% of the time when he calls OTT. Probably a worse FD, but a better SD, unless he has lower SD with an FD.

Posted 12 months ago

snarble5

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i'd fold all of those cards if sb potted river and call them all if he 1/2 potted.

Posted 12 months ago

binbs

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First thing I would ask is why you dont think we can bet call this deep?

Whats your equity vs anyones get it in range?

Find out those number of combos, find out the number of combos they have OTF so you can find out the number of combos they are folding. Giving how nitty people usually are this might be a bet/call. Too lazy to do calcs but you can certainly do it.

Posted 12 months ago




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