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CO is a big fish 80/20 my reads on him are:
overplays hands
minraises for value even on drawy flops
BU is playing 73/65 with a 57% 3bet....he's pretty angry because CO and another fish in the table have stacked a couple of times but still seems to be playing surprisingly straightforward for someone with his stats. My image is tight and the 6-8 times i've been involved in a pot with him, he has c/f or folded to aggresion giving me a lot of respect for some reason.


Poker Stars $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1777535
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BTN: $144.40
SB: $50.00
Hero (BB): $160.93
UTG: $294.97
CO: $310.67

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q 8 A Q
1 fold, CO raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $5.25, CO calls $4.25

Flop: ($17.50) 8 J K (3 players)
Hero bets $13.00, CO calls $13, BTN calls $13

Turn: ($56.50) 4 (3 players)


Is preflop a 4bet against this guys?
What do you think about my flop donk?
i thought that both players have really wide ranges but if i check, i'm gonna have to fold to a cbet because CO would have to speak after me but with this bet i can leverage the presence of BU against CO, making him call tighter and BU has a huge range and gives me respect.
Turn line?

Don't really like the flop donk. You're going to get peeled by one pair + draw hands too often and you're in tricky spots on turns. As played, you have to double barrel this turn as you have sets in your range and their ranges are capped hoping they have weakish draws that can't really call a big turn bet.

You should definitely 4-bet or fold pre with reads. Flatting does not get you into good spots OTF.

You should definitely 4-bet or fold pre with reads. Flatting does not get you into good spots OTF.

would you fold or 4bet in this particular spot? i'm pretty sure that if you 4bet, CO gonna come along most of the time.

You should definitely 4-bet or fold pre with reads. Flatting does not get you into good spots OTF.

Being 300 BB effective isn't flatting OK here given the villains we're up against? 4-betting seems like we'll be put in much tougher spots on the flop given how poorly our hand hits boards and the amount of money that will still be left behind, not to mention being OOP, often against 2 players. I like 4-betting against these guys but with stacks closer to 100 BBs. And folding seems criminal given the stack depth and ranges. No options are that great but flatting seems the best to me. That's my initial take on it but I'm open to being swayed in another direction.

Didn't really consider depth. I'm not sure how often opener will cold call 4bet. I think I just fold with bad relative position 3-way rather than flatting.

I would call hoping to hit a set and/or a strong draw. However, when we miss I would X/F.

I don't like the flop donk either. It doesn't really accomplish much because only better hands will call and worse hands will fold. Especially since you block a lot of the strong straight draws.

Also, what are you repping, especially if you know he has a wide range? Wouldn't you, if you had a strong made hand, just X/C and hope he continues bluffing? When you donk you look like you have a fairly strong, but vulnerable hand so he can float you a lot and then bluff scare cards if you check. Plus, in reality you have a weak hand, so if he does bluff the turn or river, and you're unimproved, you'll have to fold.

As played, OTT you have to bet because if you check you can't really call and get paid if you hit a flush. The hands you rep by donking would all continue betting OTT.

Unless both opponents are just handing their stack out postflop with really weak hands (i.e. our implied odds are great), I'd fold here pre. Our hand really isn't all that strong; 4betting seems like way overcommitting, and even flatting is a bit too ambitious for me. What really seals it is our position, because we'll have a much harder time stealing pots that we didn't hit, and with a nutty but non-floppy hand like this, stealing some pots that we missed is more important. Also, playing oop this deep suuuuucks. Even the times we do make a hand, it can be hard to maximize value.