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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by fslexcduck (Mid Stakes)

So if I have seen Episode 1 of 2x6 (twice) watching this will be a waste of time?

Yes, it's the same material (I think it has 10min extra about preflop at the end). It's included in this series so that anyone who is watching series-by-series and not just downloading every PLO video will be sure to see the materials as it joins together with the rest of the lessons included in the series (which is different than 2x6).

Rob

Yeah I'm totally confused by the wrap bit of the video.

On the slide it says:

High gap in run = more nut draws

Low gap in run = more non nut draws

Whereas I always thought if I had to have a gap in a run I would want it at the low end since if i was against another made str8 or an identical 2 card draw theres a chance im freerolling toward a better str8.

Is this wrong?

Yes, you want the gap at the low end, as this will give you more nut draws.

And thanks, Entity.

I thought it was a good video, since I hadn't seen 2x6. I was very confused about the wrap part, but I hope she explains it again.

Good start to this series.

Okay, I watched the first episode. It was a minor disappointment, but I'm going to watch at least a couple more so that I'll see more of Vanessa's postflop play, before judging her too harshly. Basically everything Vanessa says in the powerpoint part (which wouldn't play well on my VLC for some reason) was ok, obv. position is important etc. But saying pairs are trash and you should just limp behind for set value, and hands like T998 being bad is just bs. T998 is obv not a great hand, but it's a hand I raise every time in shorthanded games. It does have favorable flops and plays reasonably well. The comparison to some PLO tourney where Josh Arieh called 30% of his stack with A229 was out of line, because PLO tourneys and cash games are so so different. A229 is trash, I wouldn't call with it in cash either, but you shouldn't compare tourney and cash PLO pretty much ever. In tourneys you play shallow stacks, and high card value goes way up compared to deep stack cash.

In the later part of the video, we get to see some of your game and I was not hugely impressed. Right off the bat you call the red pro a fish by raising your flop bet with nfd + gutshot to the nuts. There's nothing wrong with that raise. This time you had top set, but let's face it, how often are you gonna have top set in a 3bet pot on a JTx board? Even against top set his hand has 35%+ equity. His raise has huge fold equity, as what are you going to do with your UI aces or 7865 type middle runs there? Obv you fold and he rakes the pot with A-high. The red pro's (Beevers?) mistake IMO was calling your 3bet preflop, since barring specific reads, his hand plays very poorly against a standard 3bettors range. Even considering that his PF call isn't horrible, even if it's slightly -EV. Once he hits a great flop such as the one he hit, with 12 nuts outs, folding would be obv be terrible, and then it's just a matter of mixing it up between calling and stealing later, and raising right away.

A bit later you get aces OTB, raise and get 3bet from the blinds. You stand a chance of 4bet getting almost 50% of your stack in with above average aces. Why you don't do it there is above me. Now if you had said something about mixing it up with regulars, just calling with aces etc, it might have made some sense, but just flat calling without reasoning is pretty bad. Otherwise it's a 100% standard 4bet.

Hi Just wanna thank Vanessa Selbs for a great series!
Because of this I won the first ever PLO Tournament on the Asian Poker Tour.
To be honest I run so bad at PLO cash games Ive just stopped playin for a while.
Never the less people still dont really know how to play this game including some top NL pros and so there is a ton of value in gettin to grips with the game and this kinda series gives people an edge , especially against NL players.

Thanks again Vanessa!
Hope to see you in person one day!

(favorite quote of Vanessa Selbs "It is what it is!"
Ship it one time!

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4678 61.42% 303,996 129,009
4568 38.58% 166,995 129,009

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4568 24.47% 57,278 188,166
4578 37.85% 53,460 356,373
4678 37.67% 57,874 345,337

Better have gap low or in middle of the hand than in the high part of the hand.

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4568 24.47% 57,278 188,166
4578 37.85% 53,460 356,373
4678 37.67% 57,874 345,337

Better have gap low or in middle of the hand than in the high part of the hand.

This is when you are comparing the two hands against each other allin, where draw domination has a huge role. In order for you to compare 8764 and 8654, you need to compare them vs. a subset of hands preflop, not against each other directly.

Basically run 8764 vs. XXYZ (range) and 8754, but even then, the question isn't answered, because it's not an allin preflop but a question of playability postflop and equity in situations in which you flop a draw, and how nut your draws will be when you flop one.

It's not like hold'em where you can go "AQo > ATs because here, look at AQo vs. ATs HU" -- direct allin equity comparisons are the worst way to comparatively judge values in hands here.

Rob

Great videos overall. I'm the typical NLHE to PLO crossover player and these videos have offered great insight and a solid foundation for playing PLO.

As a newcomer to PLO I assumed it was a glorified version of NLHE but fortunately the material here taught me that they are two very distinctive games. I like the presentation as there is more effort than the typical "speak as they play series". Furthermore fslexcdck seems to be passionate about her subject and it translates in the way the information is conveyed. I recomend this series to anyone.

Just watched the first episode, and its already made me realise why im shipping BI's out to people!

Great stuff

I don´t agree the red pro totally misplayed his hand. I made a simulation and saw that he got almost 41% equity against a set (and maybe better with other hands you can't fold in that spot?). The pot was something like 36$ with effective stack of 380$ and he can probably make you fold the CB with a raise pretty often so it is somewhat close. If my fast calculation is right he need you to fold 1/3 of the times to break even. You may are right but he can´t fold that hand on the flop so I guess you suggest he should have called you in that spot?