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Villan is a fish, no reads other than that. Fold to the turn raise?

Poker Stars $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1769047
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BB: $33.94
UTG: $32.64
CO: $24.82
Hero (BTN): $61.55
SB: $22.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 2 9 9 2
UTG calls $0.50, CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.25) 7 A A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.25) 2 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $13.06
BB wins $67.63
(Rake: $-7.80)

Fold to the turn raise AINEC. They have you dead like all the time. The tiny percentage of the time you're right does not make up for putting so much money in dead so often.

Fold to the turn raise AINEC. They have you dead like all the time. The tiny percentage of the time you're right does not make up for putting so much money in dead so often.

yeah, as a NL player i'm not used to this but i did a couple of sims and it's pretty sick that 22% of the time he has an A, it's a full house and not just trips...it's be 33% if i wasn't blocking 22, and it's worse when you include 77 into the mix

If he has 77, you'll get him to fold here most likely, but he doesn't. He has A7 pretty much every time; such slow play in PLO is the nuts basically always (especially at these stakes). Unlike NL, this simply can't be a big A very often at all.

Not sure I like preflop.

On the other hand since they'll all short, it's not that good to 3-bet either.

Maybe we should just fold.

Yeah, I'd just fold pre.

Yeah, I'd just fold pre.

but it's so pretty!!!

how high does the 2nd pair have to be for you to call? aka 9933,9944,etc or how high the top pair while still having 22 on your hand.
what if it was a rainbow double pair hand, are you calling stuff like 5566r,5599r,TT66t,etc.

I think I would play JJ22 or 9966 for this miniraise (I don't view this as limpet pot). Just intuitively, not like I have stats or calcs to back this up

I want the 1st pair to be bigger in a multiway pot. A set of nines is rarely a top set and bottom/middle sets can cost you tons of money in high SPR MW pots.

I would 3Bet this hand pre. It plays very well if you flop a set, and if you don't X/F. Very straightforward. Plus, if you showdown this hand villains will widen your 3Bet range. By calling you're probably going to induce the blinds to come along with 75% of hands. 3Betting will probably get you HU with the CO where your sets will be much stronger.

OTF, a CBet (HU against CO with this flop) takes this down 95% of the time if you had 3Bet, another benefit. As played OTF checking is good. OTT, I would fold. I think you should check turn, call river. If the turn would've checked around a river bet from BB would be a lot wider than full houses, but a raise OTT indicates a better full house.

I would 3Bet this hand pre. 3Betting will probably get you HU with the CO where your sets will be much stronger.

I'd agree if there was only a raise before you, but now there's a limp+minraise. If you 3bet, the limper will join very often.

I think you should check turn, call river. If the turn would've checked around a river bet from BB would be a lot wider than full houses, but a raise OTT indicates a better full house.

I think you're results oriented. You'll get more value by bet/folding the turn.

I don't like 3 betting because of stack sizes. You can get 4-bet close to all in and it'll be disgusting to either call or fold then. Even if you don't get 4-bet, it's hard to take down any pot post flop with their stack sizes because your cbet is no real threat (no more money behind). Makes no sense to 3-bet simply for set value and check down all bad flops If the isoraiser was normal stacked, I can see merit in 3-bet, because you can also bluff cbet and it's a threat to their larger stack (money behind).

I'd agree if there was only a raise before you, but now there's a limp+minraise. If you 3bet, the limper will join very often.

It's not a huge deal if the limper comes along, but it's not like he automatically will being OOP to two people and having to deal with the CO behind him.

I think you're results oriented. You'll get more value by bet/folding the turn.

How am I being results oriented? By checking OTT, someone is very likely to stab at the pot OTR assuming people will be scared of the two aces out there. Villain's river betting range is much wider than his turn calling/raising range.

I don't like 3 betting because of stack sizes. You can get 4-bet close to all in and it'll be disgusting to either call or fold then. Even if you don't get 4-bet, it's hard to take down any pot post flop with their stack sizes because your cbet is no real threat (no more money behind). Makes no sense to 3-bet simply for set value and check down all bad flops If the isoraiser was normal stacked, I can see merit in 3-bet, because you can also bluff cbet and it's a threat to their larger stack (money behind).

A 3Bet would be to $5.50 (I think, I'm not great at calculating preflop raises in PLO, I just let the software do it lol), that's 1/5 of CO's stack. People at these stakes are only 4Betting AA and great KK for the most part, so if you get 4Bet it's an easy fold.

Anyway, it's not like we have to default to CBetting every flop with these type of hands. The best thing about double pair hands is the implied odds we have when hitting a set. It's not like we're just gonna spaz out and three barrel a board like KQ4 7 8. We can X/F when we don't hit, but when we do and he has a piece too we are going to be making a lot.

Yeah but SPR would be about 2 on the flop, so he's going with pretty much some sort of piece. We have a pair of nines, after all.

We don't hit the set that often, and no we dont have implied odds when we have an SPR of 2 and quite often need to stick in a bluff cbet, too.