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vanHelsing

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1753426
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MP: $102.19
CO: $165.64
BTN: $46.31
SB: $126.30
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $114.72

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q Spade T Spade Q Heart A Club
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4, CO calls $4

Flop: ($20.00) K Spade 5 Spade 7 Spade (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($20.00) J Spade (4 players)
SB bets $11.46, Hero calls $11.46, UTG calls $11.46, CO calls $11.46

River: ($65.84) T Heart (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, UTG folds, CO calls $42, SB raises to $109.84 all in, Hero has $41,54 left.

SB is winning solid reg (24/16), river c/r stat 1%, CO is a huge fish 80/40, my guess is, he will never fold a flush at this point, even to the c/r.

Given the insane odds, are we commited at this point?

Posted about 1 year ago

envoy222

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His line tilts me so much. You're never good but this is literally the worst line in history to take with the nuts, he got very lucky that you had a decent flush, otherwise he only makes $11 instead of $100 or more. Take a note that he took such a weird line, it could help you in the future.

Also I'd lead flop myself, we want to start setting up stacks for fat value vs the fish asap!

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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how aggro is this guy really?
because I'd even consider folding the turn to his halfpotbet, seems likely that at least someone has a flush that checked back the flop some percentage and since the flushes over the 9high one are blocked and I doubt he's going to vbet the lower ones
so I dont know how aggro PLO100 plays but betting 4way with usually no real equity (and a boat-draw wouldnt really bet to protect because he's way ahead way behind I guess) seems kind of unlikely for a winning reg to me


whow whow whow, just saw that he checked the flop
that changes things kind of Smile
because still he cant be happy vbetting a 9high flush because he doesnt see your Q and J blockers

but would someone reasonable ever take such a line where he reps nothing and chr the river after you almost definitely vbet (and co called so he's got a flush too, would you or he ever be folding one for so little more?)

Posted about 1 year ago

don caballero

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fold river. the chances that he's doing this with worse for value, or with the nut blocker have to be <10%.

villain's check is bad, but so is your bet tbh. i know it seems weak, but this is a 4-way pot and people love suited Aces.

Posted about 1 year ago

vanHelsing

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fold river. the chances that he's doing this with worse for value, or with the nut blocker have to be <10%.

villain's check is bad, but so is your bet tbh. i know it seems weak, but this is a 4-way pot and people love suited Aces.



I think the Vbet is mandatory, as the 2 guys behind me are loose/passive fish and I'd leave a lot value on the table not betting.If either of them ships, I have an easy laydown.
And I thought in case 1or 2 of them call, the pot would be protected, but...

River: ($65.84) T Heart (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, UTG folds, CO calls $42, SB raises to $109.84 all in, Hero folds, CO calls $67.84

Final Pot: $327.52
CO shows 6 Club 8 Spade 9 Spade 2 Spade (a flush, King high)
SB shows A Diamond J Heart A Spade 7 Diamond (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
CO wins $324.72
(Rake: $2.80)

Posted about 1 year ago

Osterror

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molotof

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I would have probably fold preflop.
OTF betting is fine because worst hands (remember JSpade on board and TSpade in your hand) will often check back multiway I think. With the ASpade blocker, the nut flush and a set of kings I would have take the same line probably
OTR ask yourself :
Will he play the nuts this way? Almost never. I mean a tag cbets a lot and vs your strong range + bad passive players that check and call a lot why wouldn't he bet the nuts?

Will he play the bare ace this way ? Even though it seems quit suicidal I think if you consider how the action went down on previous streets (check flop vs passive/loose field as the initial raiser/weak stab OTT), he will bluff enough that it justifies a call imo.

Posted about 1 year ago

envoy222

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I would have probably fold preflop.
OTF betting is fine because worst hands (remember JSpade on board and TSpade in your hand) will often check back multiway I think. With the ASpade blocker, the nut flush and a set of kings I would have take the same line probably
OTR ask yourself :
Will he play the nuts this way? Almost never. I mean a tag cbets a lot and vs your strong range + bad passive players that check and call a lot why wouldn't he bet the nuts?

Will he play the bare ace this way ? Even though it seems quit suicidal I think if you consider how the action went down on previous streets (check flop vs passive/loose field as the initial raiser/weak stab OTT), he will bluff enough that it justifies a call imo.



Results orientation itt

Posted about 1 year ago

molotof

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Results orientation itt



I began to read this thread before seeing final results and I were thinking of calling the river for the reasons I mentioned above. Then the results just confirmed it, so I wanted to share my thought process, expecting a reaction like yours, but hoping for stg more interesting too

Posted about 1 year ago

thewayimwired

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PLO sucks. This spot sucks. I don't blame you for folding at all, esp. at PLO100.

Posted about 1 year ago

don caballero

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I think the Vbet is mandatory, as the 2 guys behind me are loose/passive fish and I'd leave a lot value on the table not betting.If either of them ships, I have an easy laydown.
And I thought in case 1or 2 of them call, the pot would be protected, but...



on second thought, i'm on board with a bet/fold here.

can't believe the guy check/jammed the nut blocker in that large of a pot, offering those kind of odds, with such a fishy player showing interest. definitely a good fold on your part most of the time.

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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The reason I want to call river is because people love getting creative with the blocker and just play the actual nut flush in a standard way but bluffing here does seem suidical.

Posted about 1 year ago

danzasmack

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I probably fold. He has to have 2 pair + blocker here no? Otherwise he is c/c'ing the turn to c/r bluff the river? Pretty twisted. And yes, this was a twisted spot.

Posted about 1 year ago

envoy222

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but bluffing here does seem suidical.



Yeeeeeep

Posted about 1 year ago

Schweig

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There's not much value in betting the river given how often you can still run into the nut flush and how easily someone with 4th or less flush can fold.

Posted about 1 year ago




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