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iPoker - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $0.92
BB: $5.02
UTG: $2.45
MP: $1.99
Hero (CO): $6.33
BTN: $4.94

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q J K 4

UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.11, 5 players) 3 9 7
BB bets $0.11, UTG calls $0.11, MP calls $0.11, Hero calls $0.11, fold

Turn: ($0.55, 4 players) A
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB calls $0.55, UTG calls $0.55, fold

River: ($2.20, 3 players) 2
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.20, fold, UTG calls $1.77

I think postflop it's kind of straightforward to play, otf I thought I never have any fold equity + I'd only get it in as a dog if I'd try to do that, I even thought about if calling was even right but I thought those other guys will probably overcall loads of 2pairs, worse FDs and the guy that lead will probably also lead all the sets and 2pairs he has so not that many reverse implied odds

when I did hit the nuts ott I thought "valuetown", I guess they'll call pretty inelastic, I'd expect them to call FDs, sets, 2pairs and otr it's kind of the same, I wouldnt expect them to change their calling range if I bet smaller



but my real question is preflop:
First I thought about isolating, but since all 5 players were above 55 VPIP I expected this to become a family pot anyway and I'm not so sure if I want that, because my flushes will both not be to the nuts and someone will almost always have the nutflushdraw in a 3way+ pot, also they can probably limp some worse spades that they might fold to a raise (although probably a minor consideration because they dont fold much)
and on the other flops where I flop a wrap (which isnt that much I guess, because of the crappy 4) or 2pair I cant really be happy either because in case of the wrap I wont have much fold equity and in case of 2pair I'm not that happy either because someone's gonna have 2pair aswell, FDs, SDs and I wont be good at SD I guess -> is this maybe too much NLHE thinking, because in PLO you're never good at SD? (actually serious question)

which brings me to another question:
I wondered about the fold equity otf if I flop some sort of wrap like on JTx.
I mean since you never have any FE in more than hu pots with those players, should you still bet just because you have equity (maybe close to 50 even when they call real shit)
or formulated differently:
Is Omaha not so much about fold equity in multiway pots but more about implied odds (kind of the same as with 3betting, because noone folds, so you 3bet only to flop better draws?)?

Thanks in advance to the guy that reads this

a non nut hand like yours plays way better with a smaller SPR and with fewer people in the pot. So can't see any reason to overlimp pre

So I would POT RAISY DAISY!!!

Yes thanks for your response,
I'm just having trouble right now finding the right hands for smaller / bigger SPR (I'm guessing the ones that dont make as many nut-draws, dont flop that many draws overall?) and tbh I have the most trouble
finding out which hands are real nuttish hands, because with FDs it's kind of easy but for me "visualizing" the wraps and stuff that it flops is really tricky

Sorry, for the delayed response.

The nuttiness of your hand is defined by different aspects like you kinda talked about. An example could be the flushdraws being to the nuts, like you where into, which obv. makes it easier to play. Because of your chance to out flop your opponent in a flush over flush scenario, it makes sense to play it in a multiway pot. So flatting hands with a suited ace to a raise and a call makes good sense, as you have your nuttiness. Because of that, you can try to add more things that would make a hand nutty. For me that is high pairs, which will bring you to different set over set scenarios. High rundowns over smaller, which will make your hand more nutty. All these (maybe with exception of the high rundown) will hit few flops but hit them strong = ideal for multi way pot with low SPR

The opposite of this is a flopable hand, where you have alot of the different non nutty things going on at the same time, like a 5679ds, which will flop decent equity alot more often than a nutty hand. So if you'r looking for a hand that can continue on alot of flops, and maybe get priced in to stack off, this is it! So 3betting/ isolating with these hands make alot more sense, as you often have alot of equity on the flop, or pick up alot more on the turn compared to a AQ72ss hand ect.

Try to play with www.propokertools.com and set up different scenarios. Which hands flops well against aces ect. How often do you flop enough equity to stack off, and how does the SPR, which give you the pot odds inpact that..

I think this is a super clear preflop raise. More interesting to me is the flop call, with three in already there's a chance our naked 2nd nut flush draw could get expensive.

So are you ever folding the flop?
Remember we have mighty backdoor action going on aswell I'm not for sure...

I'm just having trouble right now finding the right hands for smaller / bigger SPR (I'm guessing the ones that dont make as many nut-draws, dont flop that many draws overall?)

In general, hands with smoother equity distributions (hit semi-hard often) we want in smaller sprs and hands with more polarized equity distributions (hits very hard infrequently) we want bigger sprs.