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Poker Stars $2.50/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1739994
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CO: $110.52
BTN: $235.14
SB: $594.50
Hero (BB): $503.71
UTG: $447.69
MP: $537.62

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero is BB with 4 A 5 A
UTG raises to $10, MP calls $10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $42.50, UTG calls $32.50, MP calls $32.50

Flop: ($130.00) 4 5 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $55, UTG folds, MP calls $55

Turn: ($240.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $140, Hero folds

so its an 8game plo hand. i decided to squeeze pre for value. a few hands ago in nl, i made a squeeze in bb after a raise from same utg and 2callers. utg 4bet and i folded. no real reads on players as they have only 4~ orbits while ive been here. at a guess id say they're tight and probably more on the passive side.

on the flop i have bottom 2 and AA obviously. the fact that i have 2pair makes sets less likely, and my hand looks like AAxx, so i bet small to induce a raise. once i get called i think he can have all straights sets and 2pairs aswell as some potential overpairs or some floats. unfortunately turn is really bad and i dont really beat anything so i c/f.

comments are appreciated

I don't like the flop bet sizing because you said villain was on the passive side. If he was more aggressive it's not too bad. OTF, I'd just pot it to try and get him off any straight draws. I assume if you potted and he raised you'd call it off because you were trying to induce. If that's true I like a bigger bet even more because most of the hands he'll be raising will raise a big or small bet and a big bet might get him off any draws which is good.

OTT, I think X/F is fine. Not much you beat that's betting and the river will be very tough no matter what falls.

at a guess id say they're tight and probably more on the passive side.
on the flop i have bottom 2 and AA obviously. the fact that i have 2pair makes sets less likely, and my hand looks like AAxx, so i bet small to induce a raise.

These statements seem incongruent. I know you said reads aren't concrete, but if we're going to play our hand according to the information we do have, you can certainly have rundowns in your squeezing range and tight/passive villains aren't likely to mess around with you on this flop. If they do, it's likely to be with something like pair + straight draw that you're an equity dog against which you don't really want to induce so by betting small, I think you have to fold a re-raise simply because you don't have enough equity vs. their range. Because of this, I'm not a fan of the flop bet sizing. If we bet about 75% pot or more we're going to need ~33% equity or less to call a re-raise which is probably about what we have against made straights and pair plus straight draw hands, so I like the pot flop option to maximize fold equity and give us a slightly better price on calling a raise.

Turn is well played.

reads are far from concrete, this was probably within the first 6 hands of plo i had ever played with these guys, so i was flying in the dark

that said, you guys make alot of sense, thanks!

Yep, it's tough against unknowns to play these low, straighty boards with bare AA**. A lot of those passive players love the low 2345-6789 rundowns.

The bigger bet gives you less room for error because, as played, he can bet pretty much his entire range OTT and get you to fold.

Seems like the flop c-bet has too little fold equity and turn scenario seems pretty ugly overall OOP with a SPR of 2. If they're passive I don't think we'll be doing that well against a flop raise so I wouldn't be too happy inducing. That said, there might not be a better way. X/decide, maybe check-calling once? Tough spot OOP. I'd often just flat pre with these specific Aces facing a min-raise. In PLO you won't really get 4bet without Aces as often as in NL so I don't think we're inducing enough preflop, we probably don't have fold equity and our 3-way OOP flop distribution with AA45ss with an SPR of 3.5 isn't that great unless our opponents stack off pretty badly post-flop.

that also makes alot of sense. i did briefly consider flatting pre, but decided to 3b because i had a nfd and the 45 can make some straights. without the nfd or if it was AA84 or something i may have flatted.

Yep agree with flatting pre. It's a horrible spot to be in 3-way on most flops, except on A** where you will get little action anyway. Here's how I'd break down flop situations you get into:

~10% top set - Strong but you crush the board that it's hard to get any action anyway.
~1% Nut flush - Strong but you only really get action if someone else has flopped a flush
~1% straights - Strong, can get moderate action depending on how aggressive opponents are. Note that only the 632, 32A straights are that strong (and also much tougher to get action on), 678 is a really crap situation because you can be drawing dead/slightly ahead vs getting it in ranges. even 367 you don't get it in that great.
~1.5% trips - strong but you have to basically out-trip someone to get value.
~2% bottom two - basically not worth much more than bare aces
~10% nut flush draw - yeah these are good, but certainly when people usually say something like "yeah I can flop the nut flush draw and get it really good" as a justification, you don't actually, you probably still get it in on average like <60% because people can make two pairs, sets etc. Plus, it doesn't take into account that this that some of these 10% will not be that favourable, like three straight.
~10% straight draw. Besides 23x the rest aren't actually good. I guess a board like 36x, it's good to have some backup but it will still probably mean you are flipping vs a getting it in range.
~16% board paired flop. These are good but they are still not that fun to play. You have to act first before two guys who could have easily made trips, and you have 2x pot in your stack to protect. Meanwhile your chance to get value from worse is probably cancelled out by your chance of folding the best hand to aggression.

Whatever is remaining which I count as ~60% is basically everything else that you are unhappy to see. Even within the top 40% I laid out there is still a lot of trouble to be had. Only really is it a small number of flops, around 10-15%, you are super happy to see and they also happen to be the least likely to get the rest of the money in.

By 3-betting you push your equity edge pre but you also set up a large pot on the flop, where you have equity and you are effectively forced to chase after it with the rest of your stack in order to see showdown (or you fold your equity a lot creating a lot of non-showdown winnings.)