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BTN is playing 24/12/3.3 AF/90 hands. don't have any reads
SB is playing 51/26/1.9 AF/142 hands. have seen him, cb 882tt w A8xxhh. cx turned flush. bet riv big (prolly not relevant to this hand, but I thought I'd put it in here just in case)


UTG: $15.22
CO: $28.88
BTN: $24.24
SB: $24.75
Hero (BB): $33.17

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BB with K A J Q
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, UTG calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25

Pre:
I feel this hand is strong enough to see a MW pot, but do you sqz here, if so why?

Flop: ($7.50) K 3 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN bets $5.00, SB calls $5, Hero raises to $27.50

Flop:
The reason I shoved here was to fold out UTG and CO's equity, but is this correct thinking?
I mean we have a strong hand here, and are we essentially turning it into a semi bluff, and is that such a bad thing?
Is it totally unnecessary to shove here, and better to see a "safe" turn, and keep worse draws in?

This is my first PLO hand post, so bare with me if my questions are to noobish.

Looking forward to your answers

I dont really think this is a semi bluff as you got top pair + nfd and some backdoor str8 draws.
You might get called/raised with sets and top two pairs as well as wraps (JTQ) with maybe a pair or a worse fd. I would like to know the odds against this range, but I think you are a good percentage ahead against those hands

5 ways this is pretty bad.

you got top pair + nfd and some backdoor str8 draws.

It's "only" the 2nd NFD and a gutshot str8 draw so not that good.

I shoved here ... to fold out UTG and CO's equity

If you call I think the UTG and CO are going to fold anything but the NFD or sets anyway. So they're not going to be folding much equity and you'll likely to be sharing it with one or both of the BTN and SB in any case.

Given UTGs short stack he's going to go all in with these, the CO will probably only go all in with KK, just calling 99 or the unlikely 33.

If you call and either does shove and then the BTN or SB also shoves you are likely to be dominated amd behind so I think you can then fold.

So I'd call and see what happens. You have a strong hand and there are a few good turn cards.

pre I can see merits to a squeeze. It's only the BTN and UTG who are ever likely to have AA and to 4B you. Given that's not that likely it's going to look like you have AA when you don't, which is always good. And if the BTN raised PF to punish the two limpers he might fold and leave you in position against the SB.

SB is playing 51/26/1.9 AF/142 hands. have seen him, cb 882tt w A8xxhh. cx turned flush. bet riv big

Given his stats and the propensity for many people to play AX suited at these stakes I think it is useful to have this note. However If you call there isn't going to be enough room for two streets of action, so it might not come into it. But if it did get to the river with no more money going in, and he checks a flush card, you have more weight for betting for value. The BTN does make it trickier though so if a flush card comes on either street I'd still check-call.

UTG and CO both limp so you likely have their ranges crushed. Much rather squeeze here, than go 5 ways on the flop.

Also once you squeeze if But has aces he is likely going to try and get it in now and 4 bet you.

Thanks for the replies guys, so to sum up (if I got it right )

Sqz pre

and this make a lot of sense

If you call I think the UTG and CO are going to fold anything but the NFD or sets anyway. So they're not going to be folding much equity and you'll likely to be sharing it with one or both of the BTN and SB in any case.

This is interesting; I think I would play it slightly different. As for preflop, I don’t hate squeezing but I would like it more if we had a read that BTN folds to 3 bets a decent amount. Otherwise, we’re more prone to isolating our hand against the tight player and the SB and the only dead money in the pot is the two limps from UTG and CO. We’re probably not pushing an equity edge either, even if everyone calls.

On the flop, as played the only times we’re in really bad shape is when we get it in against a hand or hands that contain 2pair/set and the nut flush draw, in which case we probably have between 15% - 20% equity depending upon which players get it in with us. If we get it in vs. either the nut flush draw or against a range of 2 pair/sets, however, we're generally about flipping.

I think if we use the count function or range explorer in PPT, we should find that we'll run into the nightmare scenario somewhere around 20% of the time. If this is true, and we have 15% - 20% equity 20% of the time 3 handed or about 50% equity 80% of the time heads up, I think our stack off is pretty close to neutral EV. Maybe someone can double check this if they get a chance. If not, I'm interested in going back and trying to do it more exactly this weekend when I have a little more time.

If this is approximately true, we then either have to find a way to manipulate the hand to make it more profitable, or I would prefer to just fold. Given that we can be good in so many different ways, I think we should be able to do better than folding. That said, I don’t really like to check with the intention of calling a bet because many of the cards that improve us are going to look scary to our opponents and we may not get paid off by worse when we hit. I also worry that no one is betting this flop unless they hit it really hard given that it’s 5 ways, and I don’t really want it to check through, either. Check/raising then has the issue that we’re probably just isolating our hand against the hands we don’t want to be against when the button bets. Given this, I think I would lead out on the flop because I think it gives us the best shot at keeping our opponents ranges wider and hopefully draws in a call or two from hands that we dominate. Thoughts?

nice post Dutch, and I like the idea of leading here, but I assume you are stacking of if raised right?

nice post Dutch, and I like the idea of leading here, but I assume you are stacking of if raised right?

What do you think people's raising range is on this Flop when you lead?

What do you think people's raising range is on this Flop when you lead?

I think it's most probable that it's 2 pairs, sets and the nut flush draw, likely the same hands that would bet the flop if we checked. By betting though, I think we might be able to get some calls from some weaker hands that would otherwise just check, like hands that have a QJT or a 9 with a gutshot and lower flush draw, etc.

Once we bet, we have to call it off. If it's heads up, we only need about 34% to call, which we'll almost always certainly have. If it's 3 ways, we need about 24%, which we'll have a decent amount too.

What do you think people's raising range is on this Flop when you lead?

I hate typing +1, but imo Dutches answer covers pretty much what I would say, plus more