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So, I know this hand is good for calling a 3 bet in a HU situation, but after my last thread, I thought I'd better ask, how about when it is multiway like this.? I'm closing the action, which is a plus, but the third player in, must make any flush value of my hand worth less, as well as other risks. On the other hand, it has some good straight type things going for it, and I'm getting 3.33 : 1.

Believe me or not, I have a 3 hand sample on each player!

Then, I'd really love to hear some thoughts on this flop spot:

Ongame Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 1600367
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CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $40.50
SB: $10.95
BB: $91.98

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero is BTN with 7 6 9 T
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $6.50, BB calls $6, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($19.50) Q J K (3 players)
SB bets $4.45, BB calls $4.45, Hero??

Haven't played PLO for a while, but I'll give it a go.

With just the 3bettor I think a call is in order. The overcaller makes it a bit close, maybe even borderline. You are getting a great price, but there are so many other combos out there, and you're hand isn't that nutty. Make the 6 the 8 and I'm convinced. Honestly I probably call here too--just not super happy about it, but--depending on the players--I don't hate folding.

Strange bet on the flop. I don't like folding, I hate raising (if the money goes in you're either already drawing dead to AT or against a big draw), so I'd call. It's definitely not a fist pump and I wanna see a big fat blank on the turn to continue.

Your hand is very good for calling MW. It is a good hand heads up or with multiple players in the pot. OTF I would ship my stack mercilessly into the middle. It looks like the BB has some mediocre hand when he just flats the SB's all in bet. If you run into AT from the SB or from the BB, well, good for the SB, and if the BB had AT and didn't reraise I think that is a bad play on a draw heavy flop. But I'd bet he doesn't have AT.

I think that we are being a bit too cautious if we just flat the flop. No one but the SB has really indicated any strength. He could have AA**, sets/two pair with straight redraw or flush redraw, and a small percentage of the time some ridiculous hand that you don't know why he did what he did with it. It looks like the BB has 2p or a set as well.

IMO, we have to consider this more like a HU 3b pot vs BB because of SB's stack.

Strange bet on the flop. It's definitely not a fist pump and I wanna see a big fat blank on the turn to continue.

SB shoved. (He started w/ 20bb) IMO, this is kinda a fistpump call for 9bb. I think I flat and get it in on a brick also. That being said, I hate the fact we let the BB draw so cheaply here when we almost certainly have a better hand them him but I think we should wait for our equity to improve before committing our stack.

That being said, I hate the fact we let the BB draw so cheaply here when we almost certainly have a better hand them him but I think we should wait for our equity to improve before committing our stack.

I'm confused by this concept in PLO. Is it just to try and reduce variance? Isn't that a really bad idea?

TBH, I'm not 100% sure and haven't run the math, it just seems like we are going a long way to protect our hand/equity by shoving and we have the 2nd nuts, no redraw.

I guess my point is best case scenario when we get it in is he has 2p + fd, set + fd or T9 + fd and he probably gets the money in vs those hands on brick turns anyway. (Where our equity is much higher)

I think it's also player-dependant too (I know we have no reads, but if BB is really bad, I'd shove).

Hmm...well, when I read CDA's post, I thought, "Crap, I totally played that hand like a HU Limit player."

Reading some other posts, now I'm not so sure what the play should be. Snarble's comment about us more or less considering it a HU pot, because of the shorty, is a very good point. I think at the time, I was thinking somewhere in my mind, exactly like Strait - that the flop call by the relevant stack looked weak. And that the hopefully smallish chance that he's trapping with AT, is not worth not protecting my hand/letting him outdraw me cheaply.

However, this when to call, when to jam the flop in PLO, seems to be my big stumbling block, atm. I'll try to also "run the math" ( and hopefully figure out exactly HOW to run the math! , when I get a chance tomorrow. ).

Any other thoughts on this, would be great too, as it would seem I'm not the only one who doesn't really seem to feel a solid answer here yet. Thanks for all the replies!

I think the thing to take away from it is everyone in the thread thinks you are ahead here. I don't have the math skills to figure out if it makes more sense to call and see what the turn is and get it in then, or make them pay to draw now. Just my poker mind is telling me to make him pay to draw, and if it's a hand where we have a 5-10% edge when all the money gets in in the side pot, so be it.

Blah this is a lame spot because on one hand I'm really not excited about getting it in - 3-bets from the blinds in PLO50 are VERY frequently AA** or at the least ABBB - but on the other hand he bet 1/5 pot. The point about calling now instead of shipping is similar to how it works in HE, just that in PLO there's so many more options. You may be 55/45 (or worse) against villain on flop (for example, not saying that here) and 75/25 on the turn, with the additional help of him playing his cards more face-up (and you getting away easily on cards that are terrible for you). Especially because we have position, adding up the likelihood of AT from our opponent, villain's likelihood to bet a straight vs checking anything else on a spade/pairing turn, and the fact that we could turn a club means I'm happy to see what happens next. In the end waiting until the turn can just allow you to make a better decision, that's really all this is.

eta: oh god I'm an idiot - swapped relative stack sizes of sb and bb. Um, all the general stuff I said still holds true, but in this hand I probably shove since the short is all in and the guy who called has stack left. His hand is far less likely to be close enough to awesome enough now and he is much less likely to lead the turn to make us want to wait.

either options fine, i think i like 14 best to string bb in to calling 2 streets, we just shut down on at/s, dont mind a shove otf, just a factor of how wide bb calls smaller bets v a shove