N1mb1n
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regarding avoiding quick click decisions:
I have been around chess coaches for young school kids. They let them sit on their hands, making it physically impossible to make a move instantly.
Not exactly practially while multi-tabling online poker but an idea might be to remove the hand from the mouse for a moment at high BB decisions.
I don't like the format of this episode (in generell live coaching) from a viewer's perspective. I, personally, get the most out of replayer videos. No interruptions, clear thought process, interestings hands, easy to discuss what-if-scenarios.
Vanessa, you are one of the people who use the "you know" phrase. It's not too bad but still awkward in a teaching environment. ;-)
Love your videos anyway!
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cindua
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I really enjoyed the live format of this video. I get a lot out of the replayer, but it's great to be able to think along, and to see the small leaks (incorrect preflop folds, timing). Hopefully there continues to be a mix of the two.
Pretty sure Vanessa's earlier PLO series is what got me saying "for sure" regularly.
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JAXWY
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I really like the change of pace for this episode. Now, for my constructive criticism, I would've liked there to be more discussion about opponent reads and leaks you'd be looking to exploit as well as the over play at these tables instead of discussion about general strategy.
The benefit of a live session is that you can get reads that such and such player does this so we can counter with... Or, when your student isn't in a hand and a big hand goes down you can comment on whether or not the hand was played correctly and how we can make an adjustment.
In short, IMO, just don't elaborate so much with the "why" and focus more on the play at the tables.
That said, it's nice to see and hear your comments on some live action.
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poon8855
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One thing I learned in this episode was tilt. I thought tilt was just spewing off chips after you loose a pot when your 80-90% favorite. I dont really have that problem, so I never really listened when instructors talked about tilt. Thanks Vanessa for enlightening me on what tilt really is. I defiantly make at least 30% of my decisions based on emotions and not logic, I defiantly needed a bitch slap lol.
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the_luke
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The sync problems are almost certainly to do with the internet quality across continents. Similar problems happened with the old wiltontilt real life microstakes grinder series (the student was from Australia).
I find the live play very valuable in terms of starting hand selection, and what to (re)raise with. A coach playing and talking about their own play can't really explain the reasoning behind their starting hand selection - often things are just intuitively right for them and they don't see anything to explain.
When a coach is sweating a student's plays live, they see errors in preflop/flop play and can immediately explain the reason why the play is incorrect. It is these incidental little mistakes/missed opportunities that live sweats identify best.
Also, DC has plenty of PLO hand review series, and lots of theory too. I think there is a lack of PLO live sweats, to be honest. More is good.
Finally, this is so far my favourite Venessa Selbt series. Good work.
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lonely_squirrel
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When I'm involved in a big pot I take my hand off the mouse. If I don't do that then it's a little signal that I'm not paying enough attention.
I have to say, I really liked this episode. There's a good mix of coaching on poker decisions and the intangibles. The live video format seemed like it was really frustrating to both student and coach, with a lot of little things going wrong over the tables, but honestly, I think that's what added a lot of value. It makes very obvious some of the ideas that might not get so much attention in other videos.
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black666
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I really love this series.
The fact that Vanessa coaches someone through small to medium stakes which most subscribers are playing anyway is just awesome. I also like the fact that it's not a whole series in the replayer or live play but rather a mix of everything - just like a real coaching series. Some live play with faster pace, hand history reviews with deep analysis and pre-recorded videos for the in between stuff.
Apart from the technical difficulties in this episode, this series has been A+ so far.
Good luck Steve ... let's hope you get out of that downswing pretty soon.
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LHC1976
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regarding avoiding quick click decisions:
I have been around chess coaches for young school kids. They let them sit on their hands, making it physically impossible to make a move instantly.
Not exactly practially while multi-tabling online poker but an idea might be to remove the hand from the mouse for a moment at high BB decisions.
Thanks for the idea ! I played chess when I was young and don't remember having this problem... I guess this "autoclick" might come (partly) from my razz experience, where you get used to take very quick decisions (because most of the spots are very simple). Vanessa's two seconds rule helped a lot
I don't like the format of this episode (in generell live coaching) from a viewer's perspective. I, personally, get the most out of replayer videos. No interruptions, clear thought process, interestings hands, easy to discuss what-if-scenarios..
I understand it, and agree about the fact that we can get more in depth with the other forms of coaching. It's simply two different things, that get different results, but as a student both are cool, and this episode was extremely valuable for me !
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LHC1976
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I really enjoyed the live format of this video. I get a lot out of the replayer, but it's great to be able to think along, and to see the small leaks (incorrect preflop folds, timing). Hopefully there continues to be a mix of the two.
Thanks !
Yes, live play is great to detect those (not so small) leaks !
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LHC1976
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this was abit annyoing to watch. Really gets frustrating when there is no sync between coach-student.
Yes, the technical problems were tough (some were cut in the production), and the fact that english is not my native language didn't help (I made live sessions in french and it's definitely a lot easier for me).
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LHC1976
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I really like the change of pace for this episode. Now, for my constructive criticism, I would've liked there to be more discussion about opponent reads and leaks you'd be looking to exploit as well as the over play at these tables instead of discussion about general strategy.
The benefit of a live session is that you can get reads that such and such player does this so we can counter with... Or, when your student isn't in a hand and a big hand goes down you can comment on whether or not the hand was played correctly and how we can make an adjustment.
In short, IMO, just don't elaborate so much with the "why" and focus more on the play at the tables.
That said, it's nice to see and hear your comments on some live action.
I agree with you, but I guess I still have too much leaks to make that possible. It would probably be easier to do with more experience, because much more situations wouldn't need to be talked about that much !
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LHC1976
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One thing I learned in this episode was tilt. I thought tilt was just spewing off chips after you loose a pot when your 80-90% favorite. I dont really have that problem, so I never really listened when instructors talked about tilt. Thanks Vanessa for enlightening me on what tilt really is. I defiantly make at least 30% of my decisions based on emotions and not logic, I defiantly needed a bitch slap lol.
I like the definition given in "the poker mindset". The authors explain that tilt is whenever you're not playing your A-game, whatever the reasons. I love this definition (and this book), and think that's the best way of explaining what tilt it.
I like the way you write it ! I think poker is a 100 % logic game, and whenever you take a decision based on anything else than pure logic, you can consider yourself on tilt.
In this episode, and on the whole series (playing higher stakes I'm used to play and facing a "big" downswing), I could definitely work on the emotionnal aspect of the game, and how to be able to manage it better.
I think that more than any other poker variant, PLO requires a very solid "emotions management" and tilt is devastating in this game !
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