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Villain is tightish reg , never bluff c/r flop.
But he is capable of doing this with very good draws.
Should we just fold here?
What is our plan for turn if we call?


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BB: $51.33
Hero (BTN): $36.03
SB: $42.86

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BTN with 6 J 4 7
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.75) 3 6 J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $6, Hero??

I would call and fold diamonds, and plan to evaluate his play on 2's and 7's.

I would call and fold diamonds, and plan to evaluate his play on 2's and 7's.

In my much more limited experience, I usually fold this to the player described. Is that a leak? I do this because we have no redraw or sidecards we want to hit and we're against a very strong range. We can't get it in here with these stacks and I'd feel lost on the 'brick' turns and he fires. I think this would only be a profitable call if we had a good read on his postflop game and were willing to bluff on any sign of hesitation on the turn.

Let`s say we call and he checks a 7 or a . We then bet and it sort of turns into a weird range merge. We could now be either bluffing or value-betting and not really know it. He`s certainly narrowed his range by check-calling, but we`re then going to have to `bluff` a ton of rivers.

More often than not though, we are faced with a super tough decision on the turn for a near pot-sized bet on what is supposed to be a brick. I just feel that I would give myself a lot of room for mistakes on the turn with these stacks, so I bail on the flop in what is probably a very marginal spot to begin with. I can see arguments for calling though if you have a solid read and sick post-flop game.

When we have top two pair in a raised pot his range is fairly narrow. There is only one combo of top set possible and he probably isn't playing 66 or 33. Therefore a lot of his hands are going to be draws that he is c/r trying to get fold equity. Expect to see diamonds+gutter/OESD or pair+diamonds a lot. With position I think we can play pretty well vs. a range that is largely consisting of FD's.

We also have a nut gutshot and a lot of money behind which makes me even happier to peel.

In my much more limited experience, I usually fold this to the player described. Is that a leak?

As I am often in the role of Villain here, trust me, what delcross says is right on the money. Typical scenario for me after I x/r with a big combo draw (like I might have Ad5d4c3c on that flop) is that the guy IP flats and I brick the turn, like Ts. Now what? If IP player peeled only with top-pair, he probably has two-pair now and I'm behind. If I check, he's gonna bet. If I bet, he might raise and force me to fold before I realize my equity. Let's say I barrel and he calls and I brick again. Unless I can bluff him off the river, he's going to collect a nice pot just by letting me hang myself.

After being on the receiving end of that a dozen or so times and studying what those IP Villains did, I've been flatting my crappy two-pair and playing my position, usually pretty passively, with good results. The only time it blows up on me is on a drawy flop where I have top/bottom or mid/bottom and put Villain on a combo draw, when in fact he has a set or top-two.

peeling seems super fine here imo. more so if we have been aggro.

Leak plugged. Makes total sense. I completely failed to recognize just how narrow his range is with simple card removal, and that flush/combo draws are easily the most common holding for him to have here. Something I don't think of enough in game. Nice points too, HR. Another great example of just how much position owns.

Villain could easily make better two pair when overcards come.
If we peel and villain barrels on what looks like blank (Ts), are we just giving up?

I guess read on villain's aggression is most helpful.
Adding aggression to nice combo draws can put bad two pair hands on defensive.
If I had the combo draw in villain's position I would probably bet turn and stack off.

Sorry for the late reply.
I am actually in Vegas right now.
I am looking for PLO game but most games play big.
I might go visit Venetian and play their 1/2/5 game.